<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Michele,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Its more for information, which i maybe should of explained more clearly. I don’t want to get into detail so please ignore the next couple of paragraphs if that whats you are expecting ;-) These are just a Sunday evening stock take of where we are. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The report gives you a feel how 28 countries plus many more and their respective Governments have many challenges in this space. As most of these criminal acts are facilitated in some way by the use of ‘Websites/Doman names’ of course not all GTLD’s, attribution is a huge challenge. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then theres the trust issue - who can the end user trust if they can’t see who it is they are dealing with and if every time time they log on they become a victim, the end user will lose trust in the internet then we are all in big trouble. The governments are acutely aware of this. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So i suppose am saying that if the WG decides, taking in everything that we have to consider, that nothing of use to an end user is visible to determine some sort of trust, then we won’t survive our first sortie outside this group. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have just been three days at the Europol/Interpol Conference in The Hague - and ICANN Whois (as they call it) and of course our own Ip Whois :-) were of great concern to all.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I like many others are frustrated with how long this is all taking, that maybe by the time we have finished, the world has moved on to something else (there are many other mechanism’s being spoken about) that Whois as we know it, is no longer relevant.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dick</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Richard Leaning</div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">External Relations</div><div class="">RIPE NCC</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 1 Oct 2017, at 21:47, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" class="">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Dick<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Are there any particular sections that are pertinent to our work?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Michele<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">--<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;" class="">,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Richard Leaning <<a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net" class="">rleaning@ripe.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Sunday 1 October 2017 at 20:28<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Europol - EC3 Cyber crime threat assessment - 2017<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear WG,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">This is a good read and maybe help those in the WG who are not actively involved in cyber investigations that cause harm, an insight to the challenges that face those that are.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Cheers <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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