<div dir="ltr">Thank you Richard, <div><br></div><div>While at your conference did you have any conversations with the people there about GDPR and how it can be legally dealt with in light of whois and all of the other accountability/transparency factors that we must use to build trust? Any exemptions that are available or anything else like that? This group continues to operate under the assumption that WHOIS is wholly illegal under GDPR and that's the roadblock at hand.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Richard Leaning <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net" target="_blank">rleaning@ripe.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Michele,<div><br></div><div>Its more for information, which i maybe should of explained more clearly. I don’t want to get into detail so please ignore the next couple of paragraphs if that whats you are expecting ;-) These are just a Sunday evening stock take of where we are. </div><div><br></div><div>The report gives you a feel how 28 countries plus many more and their respective Governments have many challenges in this space. As most of these criminal acts are facilitated in some way by the use of ‘Websites/Doman names’ of course not all GTLD’s, attribution is a huge challenge. </div><div><br></div><div>Then theres the trust issue - who can the end user trust if they can’t see who it is they are dealing with and if every time time they log on they become a victim, the end user will lose trust in the internet then we are all in big trouble. The governments are acutely aware of this. </div><div><br></div><div>So i suppose am saying that if the WG decides, taking in everything that we have to consider, that nothing of use to an end user is visible to determine some sort of trust, then we won’t survive our first sortie outside this group. </div><div><br></div><div>I have just been three days at the Europol/Interpol Conference in The Hague - and ICANN Whois (as they call it) and of course our own Ip Whois :-) were of great concern to all.</div><div><br></div><div>I like many others are frustrated with how long this is all taking, that maybe by the time we have finished, the world has moved on to something else (there are many other mechanism’s being spoken about) that Whois as we know it, is no longer relevant.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div>Dick</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Richard Leaning</div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><div>External Relations</div><div>RIPE NCC</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br class="m_8467974827219930886Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 1 Oct 2017, at 21:47, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_8467974827219930886Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_8467974827219930886WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Dick<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Are there any particular sections that are pertinent to our work?<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Regards<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span>Michele<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt">--<u></u><u></u></span></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt">Mr Michele 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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:<span class="m_8467974827219930886Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Europol - EC3 Cyber crime threat assessment - 2017<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dear WG,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This is a good read and maybe help those in the WG who are not actively involved in cyber investigations that cause harm, an insight to the challenges that face those that are.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Cheers <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dick<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_8467974827219930886xapple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 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