<div><div dir="auto">Registrants need to be given the option of participating in the public Whois protocol as an open directory even as an RDS is built on RDAP in parallel. They need to be given a chance to verify their identity, and display that verification in RDAP to build trust, as well as opt-in to making their personal data ungated if they want to. They need to be given the pros and cons. If having a high reputation based on transparency with no limitations on contactability is of primary importance to them, then they should have the ability to opt in. They should also understand that while providing gated access may protect them from certain abuses, they may be susceptible to others forms of privacy interferences by doing so, and that the functionality of their domain may be impacted. This is true for their choice whether to elect privacy and proxy as well. Concrete examples should be provided on both sides, and they should be the ones to decide (within reason). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Jonathan Matkowsky </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:16 PM Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Let's remember we're all part of an ecosystem, with valuable roles to play (even the lawyers and policy people). We should make genuine efforts to understand each other's experiences, knowledge and perspectives. This jousting is probably not the fastest or easiest way to go about it. Thinking you know someone else's job better than they do isn't either. Trying to score points to advance a policy objective at the expense of getting at the facts isn't either. We should treat this more like an investigation and less like a litigation.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And I don't mean an investigation of each other -- a common investigation.</div></div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg Shatan</div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:45 PM John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I may be operating under a bad assumption, if so, please correct me. My understanding is that the registries and registrars contribution to anti-abuse is in the response to complaints others make. Are there proactive measures you take against abusive domain names I should be aware of? Do you suspend abusive domains, those engaged in brand impersonation, or otherwise illegal activities based on your own initiative?<br>
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On Oct 3, 2017, at 7:50 PM, Rob Golding <<a href="mailto:rob.golding@astutium.com" target="_blank">rob.golding@astutium.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> And yet we are told by<br>
>> those who do NOT work in this field and do NOT contribute to solving<br>
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> A number of those contributing to the discussion are registrars and web-hosts, who deal every day with abuse issues, so very much are the people who deal with "solving this problem" (and are also those telling you that WHOIS data contributes to abuse against real-people rather than abstracts)<br>
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>> As far as I can tell, only the anti-abuse people have even proposed a<br>
>> compromise... whois privacy for free.<br>
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> Some registrars have offered this for years, although now ICANN thinks it should control/set policy/tax that kind of service it may not remain 'free' for long, and certainly isn't free to the registrar to provide (and still leaves the GDPR issue over escrow outstanding)<br>
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