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    <p>Ultimately, it is the choice of the users of such services
      whether they want to break their internet. If they chose to limit
      their own access to what their reputation provider (rightly or
      mistakenly) tells them to be safe, they will have to live with the
      results. And if that means losing business because important
      emails do not reach them, that is part of their choice.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.09.2017 um 21:23 schrieb Greg
      Shatan:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">ICANN's job description is not merely to make
          the DNS "work."  It is to make it secure, stable and
          resilient, and to promote trust in the DNS and, by extension,
          the Internet.</div>
        <div dir="auto"><br>
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        <div dir="auto">And, as Allison points out, barely "works" or
          "works" until it doesn't or "works" for some, are not even
          valid definitions of "works."</div>
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        <div dir="auto">Greg</div>
        <br>
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          <div>On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:14 PM allison nixon &lt;<a
              href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
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            <div>I think the differentiator here is that getting a
              thumbs-up from a reputation system is necessary for DNS to
              work on many networks. If all the advertisers in the world
              hated my domain, it still functions perfectly. If one
              major reputation system doesn't like my domain, I'm in a
              world of pain.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The similarity here is that both advertising and
                reputation systems feed of data from DNS to function
                better. </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>However I very much disagree that DNS will work
                without online reputation/blocking systems. And my
                reasoning for this goes back to the original problem
                these systems are designed to address. Blocking systems
                don't just make my online experience better. They allow
                me to have an online experience in the first place. The
                Dyn DDOS attack last year was a pretty good example of
                Internet abuse breaking DNS. Wannacry broke much more
                than DNS for many people. Systems to protect computers
                have become just as vital to the functioning of
                computers as the fundamental protocol specs themselves.</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:57 PM,
                Jeremy Malcolm <span>&lt;<a
                    href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>&gt;</span>
                wrote:<br>
                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On
                    29/9/17 11:44 am, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<br>
                    &gt; Since we are making policy for a system that is
                    used in support of<br>
                    &gt; domain name operation, we need to make that
                    support work for all the<br>
                    &gt; parts of the operations in question.  One of
                    the operations in<br>
                    &gt; question is various reputation systems, so I
                    think it is not optional<br>
                    &gt; for us to support that functionality.<br>
                    <br>
                  </span>I disagree, I think that a case can be made
                  that reputation systems are<br>
                  important, but they're not essential to the operation
                  of the DNS.  You<br>
                  might as easily say that because advertising revenue
                  is also used "in<br>
                  support of domain name operation", we need to make
                  sure that the DNS<br>
                  supports that.  There are lots of different working
                  parts of the<br>
                  Internet ecosystem that make our online experience
                  better, including<br>
                  voluntary reputation systems, but would the DNS still
                  work without<br>
                  them?  Yes.<br>
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                      Senior Global Policy Analyst<br>
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                        moz-do-not-send="true">415.436.9333 ext 161</a><br>
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