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<p>Ultimately, it is the choice of the users of such services
whether they want to break their internet. If they chose to limit
their own access to what their reputation provider (rightly or
mistakenly) tells them to be safe, they will have to live with the
results. And if that means losing business because important
emails do not reach them, that is part of their choice.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.09.2017 um 21:23 schrieb Greg
Shatan:<br>
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<div dir="auto">ICANN's job description is not merely to make
the DNS "work." It is to make it secure, stable and
resilient, and to promote trust in the DNS and, by extension,
the Internet.</div>
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<div dir="auto">And, as Allison points out, barely "works" or
"works" until it doesn't or "works" for some, are not even
valid definitions of "works."</div>
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<div>On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:14 PM allison nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>I think the differentiator here is that getting a
thumbs-up from a reputation system is necessary for DNS to
work on many networks. If all the advertisers in the world
hated my domain, it still functions perfectly. If one
major reputation system doesn't like my domain, I'm in a
world of pain.
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<div>The similarity here is that both advertising and
reputation systems feed of data from DNS to function
better. </div>
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<div>However I very much disagree that DNS will work
without online reputation/blocking systems. And my
reasoning for this goes back to the original problem
these systems are designed to address. Blocking systems
don't just make my online experience better. They allow
me to have an online experience in the first place. The
Dyn DDOS attack last year was a pretty good example of
Internet abuse breaking DNS. Wannacry broke much more
than DNS for many people. Systems to protect computers
have become just as vital to the functioning of
computers as the fundamental protocol specs themselves.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:57 PM,
Jeremy Malcolm <span><<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>></span>
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29/9/17 11:44 am, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<br>
> Since we are making policy for a system that is
used in support of<br>
> domain name operation, we need to make that
support work for all the<br>
> parts of the operations in question. One of
the operations in<br>
> question is various reputation systems, so I
think it is not optional<br>
> for us to support that functionality.<br>
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</span>I disagree, I think that a case can be made
that reputation systems are<br>
important, but they're not essential to the operation
of the DNS. You<br>
might as easily say that because advertising revenue
is also used "in<br>
support of domain name operation", we need to make
sure that the DNS<br>
supports that. There are lots of different working
parts of the<br>
Internet ecosystem that make our online experience
better, including<br>
voluntary reputation systems, but would the DNS still
work without<br>
them? Yes.<br>
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