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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I apologize for being
so late in catching up with all this email, but I did want to
support what Maxim has said here, it is certainly my reading
of the GDPR, the Directive on Policing, and what Buttarelli
said in Copenhagen. And to reiterate that those of us who say
you cannot do something (eg. collect this data, display this
data, retain this data) for the purposes of policing
cybercrime are in no way dismissing the importance of policing
cybercrime. <br>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-04 10:06, Maxim Alzoba
wrote:<br>
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Hello Chuck,
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<div class="">Reading the memo I came to the conclusion that all
cyber investigating companies, which do not have accreditation
of sorts of at least one EU country </div>
<div class="">are pure third parties and police exemptions from
personal data legislation will not work for them.</div>
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<div class="">(it was page 9)</div>
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<div class="">Following this logic, they play no special role
according to GDPR and thus I am not sure we can make it a
primary purpose (or at least I am not sure it will be accepted
by EU DPAs).</div>
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<div class="">P.s: I do understand importance of anti-abuse cyber
investigations, but not sure how to fit their special role into
purposes, compliant with GDPR.</div>
<div class="">And which might be worse, local Law Enforcement do
not fit either (if they are not from EU or there is no special
treaty between EU and that country). </div>
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<div class="">On Oct 4, 2017, at 16:08, Chuck <<a
href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">consult@cgomes.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Note that
the WG has already reached rough consensus that
anti-abuse is a legitimate purpose for at least the
minimum public data set. (WG Agreement 11: “<span
style="font-size: 13pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class="">Criminal Investigation &
DNS Abuse Mitigation is a legitimate purpose for
“Minimum Public Data Set” collection.</span>”<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Chuck<span
style="font-size: 13pt; font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b
class="">From:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>allison
nixon<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
October 03, 2017 2:57 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy
Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>>><span
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><span
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style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br
class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Reputation systems are not just nice
to have (was Re: What we want redux)<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thank
you for the clarification. I still disagree with it
but it makes more sense. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I
would like to highlight the ICANN webpage on
WHOIS:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a
href="https://whois.icann.org/en/what-whois-data-used" style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">https://whois.icann.org/en/what-whois-data-used</a><o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">What is WHOIS data used for?<o:p
class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"
class="">WHOIS is indispensable to the smooth
operation of the DNS and is used for many
legitimate purposes, including:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">To contact network
administrators for resolution of technical
matters related to networks associated with
a domain name (e.g., DNS or routing matter,
origin and path analysis of DoS and other
network-based attacks).<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">To obtain the real
world identity, business location and
contact information of an online merchant or
business, or generally, any organization
that has an online presence.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">To establish or look
into an identity in cyberspace, and as part
of an incident response following an
Internet or computer attack. (Security
professionals and law enforcement agents use
WHOIS to identify points of contact for a
domain name.)<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">To gather
investigative leads (i.e., to identify
parties from whom additional information
might be obtained). Law enforcement agents
use WHOIS to find email addresses and
attempt to identify the location of an
alleged perpetrator of a crime involving
fraud.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif;">To investigate spam,
law enforcement agents look to the WHOIS
database to collect information on the
website advertised in the spam.<o:p class=""></o:p></li>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Those
and others are currently listed on ICANN's website
as uses for WHOIS data. To reject anti-abuse as a
purpose would be to shift away from the currently
accepted purposes of WHOIS. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
</div>
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class=""> </o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On
Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <<a
href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank"
style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="" moz-do-not-send="true">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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class="">On 3/10/17 2:31 pm, John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> To confirm and clarify your meaning... you
don't think there should be<br class="">
> a WHOIS/RDS and the only means to contact a
domain owner should be on<br class="">
> their website. Is that correct?<br class="">
><br class="">
<br class="">
No, we are fine with registrants making some
information available<br class="">
through WHOIS/RDS subject to data protection law
(eg. informed consent,<br class="">
etc). But we don't think that a starting point
for the design of the<br class="">
RDS has to take the requirements of anti-abuse
specialists or reputation<br class="">
systems as an essential element.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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--<br class="">
Jeremy Malcolm<br class="">
Senior Global Policy Analyst<br class="">
Electronic Frontier Foundation<br class="">
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:: Defending Your Rights in the Digital
World ::<br class="">
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Public key:<span
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PGP fingerprint: 75D2 4C0D 35EA EA2F 8CA8
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