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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Stephanie,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>I haven’t seen the agendas for the two public forums yet, but I strongly encourage you to have your list of questions ready to ask as appropriate in one or both of those sessions. My prediction is that Goren and/or Teresa will be asked to respond and they will add your input into whatever process is being used. And as you know, speakers are always asked to provide their input in writing after the public forum.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>I am not directly involved in the GDPR session on Thursday, but I have tried to provide some input about the development of questions into that planning process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> Stephanie Perrin [mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 20, 2017 6:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck <consult@cgomes.com>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif'>Oddly enough, Chuck, they seem to listen to you more than me. I will compile a list of questions, which of course I would prefer to ask Teresa face to face, and see if anyone replies....</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif'>cheers Stephanie</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2017-10-20 09:30, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Stephanie,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Regarding your question ‘Who is the client’, from what I have observed, the client is all that you describe: the MS body, the CEO, staff and the Board. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>I suggest that all of us look for opportunities to provide input on the development of the questions. I have made suggestions along that line to one group that I am involved with and will look for additional ways to do so.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Chuck</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif'>I am curious as to how the questions are being framed. Who is the client, ICANN the MS body, ICANN the CEO and staff (who have been found to be a co-controller and therefore have an interest in avoiding fines) or ICANN the Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif'>There are different interests at stake here, I think it would be useful to get a fuller understanding of how Teresa Swineheart is handling the development of questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande",serif'>Stephanie Perrin</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2017-10-19 10:43, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Greg,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Having just finished reading the Hamilton memo, I don't understand why you<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>think the WG needs a presentation? What would a presentation from Teresa or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>other ICANN staff person provide us that we couldn't get from the memo<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>itself and other sources such as the ICANN Blog, etc.?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Can you identify any advice from Hamilton that would supplant work we have<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>been doing? If so, please identify it.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>In my opinion:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- The advice of ways forward fits nicely into our policy development<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>processes.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- The Hamilton Memo confirms much of what we already heard from the DP<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>experts and Wilson Sonsini so we now have it from three separate sources.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- You are absolutely that we "need to understand and track the legal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>advice being made" and that it overlaps what we are doing but I think that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will help us.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Greg Aaron [<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com">mailto:gca@icginc.com</a>] <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:25 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: Chuck <a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com"><consult@cgomes.com></a>; 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>'GNSO RDS PDP' <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Dear WG leadership:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>As we expected, this ICANN Org effort will have a profound effect on our<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>work. We will need to understand and track the legal advice being made,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>which overlaps with and in some places may supplant work we have been doing.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>And the memo's "Finding New Ways Forward" section (3.9) provides advice for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the policy-making process. Clearly our WG needs (deserves) a presentation<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>at Abu Dhabi from Teresa Swinehart, who is heading up this effort. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Could this be done at the WG meeting on Wednesday 1 November? <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Wednesday will be better attended, both in-person and remotely. (Some<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>members may still be in transit during the WG's early Saturday morning<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>meeting. And the Saturday meeting is at a challenging time for those<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>participating remotely -- ~6:30 a.m. Saturday morning in Europe / 12:30<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>a.m. Saturday East Coast USA.)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>As part of the briefing, it would be good to hear about this effort's<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>schedule, workplan, and immediate next steps. The memo says: "We intend to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>provide a series of memorandums, which will address different aspects of the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>issue and where the scope and topics of each such memorandum will be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>discussed and agreed with ICANN. We understand that ICANN intends to make<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>each memorandum publicly available."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>All best,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--Greg<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:51 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>; 'GNSO RDS PDP'<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I want to call attention to the following paragraph:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"The memo highlights the complexity of these issues in the domain name<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>space, and concludes that the current open, publicly available WHOIS<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>services cannot remain unchanged. The WHOIS system has to become adaptable<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to address the GDPR from the European perspective, as well as other changing<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>regulations around the world."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>After input from Data Protection experts, the Wilson Sonsini memo and now<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>this memo, do any in the WG disagree with this statement?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:04 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: GNSO RDS PDP <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Full Blog post is at<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update</a>. Alan<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>At 19/10/2017 12:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Perhaps it has already been posted, but if not, ICANN has received the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>first part of the independent legal analysis of the GDPR in relation to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>WHOIS that had been commissioned.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>It can be found at<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>17-e<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>n.pdf.<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Alan<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>