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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Stephanie,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Regarding your question ‘Who is the client’, from what I have observed, the client is all that you describe: the MS body, the CEO, staff and the Board. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>I suggest that all of us look for opportunities to provide input on the development of the questions. I have made suggestions along that line to one group that I am involved with and will look for additional ways to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:19 AM<br><b>To:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>I am curious as to how the questions are being framed. Who is the client, ICANN the MS body, ICANN the CEO and staff (who have been found to be a co-controller and therefore have an interest in avoiding fines) or ICANN the Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>There are different interests at stake here, I think it would be useful to get a fuller understanding of how Teresa Swineheart is handling the development of questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Grande"'>Stephanie Perrin</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2017-10-19 10:43, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Greg,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Having just finished reading the Hamilton memo, I don't understand why you<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>think the WG needs a presentation? What would a presentation from Teresa or<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>other ICANN staff person provide us that we couldn't get from the memo<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>itself and other sources such as the ICANN Blog, etc.?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Can you identify any advice from Hamilton that would supplant work we have<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>been doing? If so, please identify it.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>In my opinion:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- The advice of ways forward fits nicely into our policy development<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>processes.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- The Hamilton Memo confirms much of what we already heard from the DP<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>experts and Wilson Sonsini so we now have it from three separate sources.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>- You are absolutely that we "need to understand and track the legal<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>advice being made" and that it overlaps what we are doing but I think that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>will help us.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: Greg Aaron [<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com">mailto:gca@icginc.com</a>] <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:25 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: Chuck <a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com"><consult@cgomes.com></a>; 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>'GNSO RDS PDP' <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Dear WG leadership:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>As we expected, this ICANN Org effort will have a profound effect on our<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>work. We will need to understand and track the legal advice being made,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>which overlaps with and in some places may supplant work we have been doing.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>And the memo's "Finding New Ways Forward" section (3.9) provides advice for<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the policy-making process. Clearly our WG needs (deserves) a presentation<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>at Abu Dhabi from Teresa Swinehart, who is heading up this effort. <o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Could this be done at the WG meeting on Wednesday 1 November? <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Wednesday will be better attended, both in-person and remotely. (Some<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>members may still be in transit during the WG's early Saturday morning<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>meeting. And the Saturday meeting is at a challenging time for those<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>participating remotely -- ~6:30 a.m. Saturday morning in Europe / 12:30<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>a.m. Saturday East Coast USA.)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>As part of the briefing, it would be good to hear about this effort's<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>schedule, workplan, and immediate next steps. The memo says: "We intend to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>provide a series of memorandums, which will address different aspects of the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>issue and where the scope and topics of each such memorandum will be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>discussed and agreed with ICANN. We understand that ICANN intends to make<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>each memorandum publicly available."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>All best,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>--Greg<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:51 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>; 'GNSO RDS PDP'<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I want to call attention to the following paragraph:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>"The memo highlights the complexity of these issues in the domain name<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>space, and concludes that the current open, publicly available WHOIS<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>services cannot remain unchanged. The WHOIS system has to become adaptable<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to address the GDPR from the European perspective, as well as other changing<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>regulations around the world."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>After input from Data Protection experts, the Wilson Sonsini memo and now<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>this memo, do any in the WG disagree with this statement?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:04 AM<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>To: GNSO RDS PDP <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Full Blog post is at<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update</a>. Alan<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>At 19/10/2017 12:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Perhaps it has already been posted, but if not, ICANN has received the <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>first part of the independent legal analysis of the GDPR in relation to <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>WHOIS that had been commissioned.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>It can be found at<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>17-e<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre>n.pdf.<o:p></o:p></pre><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Alan<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>