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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Oddly enough, Chuck,
they seem to listen to you more than me. I will compile a
list of questions, which of course I would prefer to ask
Teresa face to face, and see if anyone replies....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheers Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-20 09:30, Chuck wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Stephanie,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Regarding
your question ‘Who is the client’, from what I have
observed, the client is all that you describe: the MS body,
the CEO, staff and the Board. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I suggest
that all of us look for opportunities to provide input on
the development of the questions. I have made suggestions
along that line to one group that I am involved with and
will look for additional ways to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal
Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">I am curious as to how the questions are being
framed. Who is the client, ICANN the MS body, ICANN the
CEO and staff (who have been found to be a co-controller and
therefore have an interest in avoiding fines) or ICANN the
Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">There are different interests at stake here,
I think it would be useful to get a fuller understanding of
how Teresa Swineheart is handling the development of
questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">Stephanie Perrin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-10-19 10:43, Chuck wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Greg,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Having just finished reading the Hamilton memo, I don't understand why you<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>think the WG needs a presentation? What would a presentation from Teresa or<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>other ICANN staff person provide us that we couldn't get from the memo<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>itself and other sources such as the ICANN Blog, etc.?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Can you identify any advice from Hamilton that would supplant work we have<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>been doing? If so, please identify it.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>In my opinion:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- The advice of ways forward fits nicely into our policy development<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>processes.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- The Hamilton Memo confirms much of what we already heard from the DP<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>experts and Wilson Sonsini so we now have it from three separate sources.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- You are absolutely that we "need to understand and track the legal<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>advice being made" and that it overlaps what we are doing but I think that<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>will help us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: Greg Aaron [<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gca@icginc.com</a>] <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:25 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: Chuck <a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><consult@cgomes.com></a>; 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" moz-do-not-send="true"><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>'GNSO RDS PDP' <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Dear WG leadership:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>As we expected, this ICANN Org effort will have a profound effect on our<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>work. We will need to understand and track the legal advice being made,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>which overlaps with and in some places may supplant work we have been doing.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>And the memo's "Finding New Ways Forward" section (3.9) provides advice for<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>the policy-making process. Clearly our WG needs (deserves) a presentation<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>at Abu Dhabi from Teresa Swinehart, who is heading up this effort. <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Could this be done at the WG meeting on Wednesday 1 November? <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Wednesday will be better attended, both in-person and remotely. (Some<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>members may still be in transit during the WG's early Saturday morning<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>meeting. And the Saturday meeting is at a challenging time for those<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>participating remotely -- ~6:30 a.m. Saturday morning in Europe / 12:30<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>a.m. Saturday East Coast USA.)<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>As part of the briefing, it would be good to hear about this effort's<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>schedule, workplan, and immediate next steps. The memo says: "We intend to<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>provide a series of memorandums, which will address different aspects of the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>issue and where the scope and topics of each such memorandum will be<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>discussed and agreed with ICANN. We understand that ICANN intends to make<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>each memorandum publicly available."<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>All best,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>--Greg<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:51 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" moz-do-not-send="true"><alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca></a>; 'GNSO RDS PDP'<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>I want to call attention to the following paragraph:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>"The memo highlights the complexity of these issues in the domain name<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>space, and concludes that the current open, publicly available WHOIS<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>services cannot remain unchanged. The WHOIS system has to become adaptable<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>to address the GDPR from the European perspective, as well as other changing<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>regulations around the world."<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>After input from Data Protection experts, the Wilson Sonsini memo and now<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>this memo, do any in the WG disagree with this statement?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Chuck<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:04 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: GNSO RDS PDP <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Full Blog post is at<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update</a>. Alan<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>At 19/10/2017 12:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Perhaps it has already been posted, but if not, ICANN has received the <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>first part of the independent legal analysis of the GDPR in relation to <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>WHOIS that had been commissioned.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>It can be found at<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>17-e<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Alan<o:p></o:p></pre>
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