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Nice!<br>
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through multiple choice.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/sites/default/files/atoms/files/guidelines_on_data_protection_impact_assessment_dpia.pdf">https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/sites/default/files/atoms/files/guidelines_on_data_protection_impact_assessment_dpia.pdf</a>
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Given the fact that we can start from scratch without the concept of
WHOIS it might be useful to preform a DPIA. Applying a DPIA to
WHOIS itself is not so useful, I tried a few DPIA's for some legacy
systems at work, and the result is not so great, for new projects it
works perfectly though. <br>
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Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21-10-2017 18:10, Kris Seeburn
wrote:<br>
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Theo,
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<div class="">I get your point and understand this fully and
effectively it is there. I came across another assessment or
self assessment tool from Microsoft which is quite interesting
and has the right questions. </div>
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<div class="">This may be something we may need to rethink for
sure but any self assessment is worth and may perhaps help us
redefine the move ahead.<br class="">
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<div class="">On Oct 21, 2017, at 19:54, theo geurts <<a
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<p class="">A couple of pointers here for everyone and
not directed at anyone specifically. <br class="">
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Eurid will update their Registrar agreement soon. So
perhaps is not handy to dig into some agreement. <br
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The agreement will state very clear who will be the
data controller (Registry) and the data processor
(Registrar/Reseller). As the all roles are defined and
PII is not available through the WHOIS no consent is
required. <br class="">
<br class="">
Let's dive a little into consent and the
organizational "challenges."<br class="">
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<ul class="">
<li class="">Be specific and granular. Vague or
blanket consent is not enough</li>
<li class="">Name any third parties who will rely on
the consent</li>
<li class="">Make it easy for people to withdraw
consent and tell them how</li>
</ul>
<p class="">Consent must specifically cover the
controller’s name, the purposes of the processing and
the types of processing activity<br class="">
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Okay? Let's dig a little deeper into consent. <br
class="">
Consent will be needed for different processing
operations wherever appropriate – so you need to give
granular options to consent separately to separate
purposes. <br class="">
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So a registrant will have to consent to at least<br
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<li class="">Escrow Registry to Escrow provider in
country X</li>
<li class="">Escrow Registrar to Escrow provider in
country X</li>
<li class="">Cross-border transfer of data to Registry
in country X</li>
<li class="">ICANN staff USA under set conditions must
have access to Registry or Registrar RDE deposit</li>
<li class="">ICANN staff access for audits</li>
<li class="">Third parties selected by ICANN for
audits</li>
<li class="">Place holder for all the other stuff I am
forgetting<br class="">
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As the PII will be published in the WHOIS that will
require consent also. But you have to warn the
Registrant, so it has to be crystal clear what will
happen as soon that data becomes public. Spam, phone
calls by folks trying to sell you stuff, i.e., the
good stuff we all know about and encounter on a daily
basis and much more. <br class="">
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</i><i class="">In data protection, there is the
fundamental principle which is unchanged even in the
age of Big Data.</i><i class=""><br class="">
</i><i class="">The data subject has to be in control
of her/his data, which means for consent that you
need consent for every each of the data processing
activities (even for minor changes in the
processing)</i><br class="">
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Now picture a domain name registration flow here. <br
class="">
We are talking over a thousand of TLD's here scattered
all over the world. <br class="">
This will not increase consumer trust for starters
when it comes to gTLDs. It will be one big click fest
and registration conversion will go down the drain. <br
class="">
<br class="">
But let's assume we go this route. <br class="">
Right to be forgotten? How do we do that when the
WHOIS is scraped day and night by unknown third
parties? I am not sure how we will meet this GDPR
requirement. Most likely consent was not "freely"
given. Perhaps part two will cover this so more. <br
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<br class="">
Withdrawal of consent, how do we envision this GDPR
requirement? I do not see how we will ever get this
working if the current status quo is not changing. <br
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<br class="">
Art 6.1(b) can be used for companies who have a very
direct customer relation on a small base. This is not
a solution for Registrars nor Registries when it comes
to mass registrations that happen on a daily basis. <br
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Thanks, <br class="">
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Theo <br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21-10-2017 02:41, John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br class="">
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Not the last few items discussed, no. That said I have
been traveling from the past few weeks and need to
read them side by side for a definitive synthesis.
That aside, my primary concern is that said officials
are not hearing enough from the anti-abuse and
security community on these tools to have a more fully
informed discussion. We are working to rectify that. <br
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On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline <<a
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<div class="">My apologies, John. It was not clear
to me that you had read the memo. I am glad to
hear that you have. Particularly in relation to
consent, I thought the advice that the memo
contained (along with the Hamilton memo) was
consistent with the advice that we received from
the European Data Protection Commissioners
earlier this year. Would you agree?<br class="">
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<div class="">Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
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<div class="">Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:27
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<div class="">UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:27<br
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href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
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<div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br
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<div class="">Victoria Sheckler <<a
href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>>,
GNSO RDS PDP <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br
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<div class="">Yes, I believe I pointed out on
this very list that among other things, the
notion the EU law should reign supreme
globally even when it conflicts with local
laws as patently offensive, among other
things. <br class="">
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<div class="">Is there a particular outcome that
you are trying to achieve by insinuating that
I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of
paperwork generated by this group? I mean
besides the continual, consistent, and
vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in
anti-abuse or security?<br class="">
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<div class="">And if you’d like an analysis of
the legal memo it is this: it is always better
to take the word of the regulators over merely
that of some lawfirm. Which is what I thought
we were actually talking about in the first
place. <br class="">
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Ayden Férdeline <<a
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<div class="">John,<br class="">
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<div class="">Have you read the legal
memo that we received from Wilson
Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati? <br
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<div class="">It states on page 14,
"asking for consent would not be
simple, would not solve all data
protection issues, and would pose a
number of organizational
challenges."<br class="">
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<div class="">The rationale behind this
statement is contained within the
memo.<br class="">
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<div class="">Local Time: 21 October
2017 1:06 AM<br class="">
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<div class="">UTC Time: 21 October
2017 00:06<br class="">
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<div class="">To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br
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<div class="">Victoria Sheckler <<a
href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>>,
GNSO RDS PDP <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br
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<div class="">So, in short, if we
create a consent system, we are
fine. <br class="">
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<div class="">Am I missing
something?<br class="">
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<div class="">On Oct 20, 2017, at
17:31, Ayden Férdeline <<a
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
wrote:<br class="">
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<div class="">I would like to
flag two extracts from this
Regulation that may be
relevant to our work:<br
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<li class="">"The Registry
should also comply with the
relevant data protection
rules, principles,
guidelines and best
practices, notably
concerning the amount and
type of data displayed in
the WHOIS database." (page
3)<br class="">
</li>
<li class="">"The WHOIS
database shall contain
information about the holder
of a domain name that is
relevant and not excessive
in relation to the purpose
of the database. In as far
as the information is not
strictly necessary in
relation to the purpose of
the database, and <b
class="">if the domain
name holder is a natural
person, the information
that is to be made
publicly available shall
be subject to the
unambiguous consent of the
domain name holder</b>."
(page 10 - emphasis added)<br
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</li>
</ul>
<div class="">Thank you, <br
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interest<br class="">
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<div class="">Local Time: 20
October 2017 10:47 PM<br
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<div class="">UTC Time: 20
October 2017 21:47<br
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<div class="">To: GNSO RDS PDP
<<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think
we missed this document
when we were reviewing
documents for this WG back
in the day, and thought
some of you might find it
of interest given our
current discussions on
GDPR<br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">COMMISSION
REGULATION (EC) No
874/2004 of 28 April 2004
laying down public policy
rules concerning the
implementation and
functions of the .eu Top
Level Domain and the
principles governing
registration, available at
<a
href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF"
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http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF</a><br
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