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    <p>A couple of pointers here for everyone and not directed at anyone
      specifically. <br>
      <br>
      Eurid will update their Registrar agreement soon. So perhaps is
      not handy to dig into some agreement. <br>
      The agreement will state very clear who will be the data
      controller (Registry) and the data processor (Registrar/Reseller).
      As the all roles are defined and PII is not available through the
      WHOIS no consent is required. <br>
      <br>
      Let's dive a little into consent and the organizational
      "challenges."<br>
      <br>
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    <ul>
      <li>Be specific and granular. Vague or blanket consent is not
        enough</li>
      <li>Name any third parties who will rely on the consent</li>
      <li>Make it easy for people to withdraw consent and tell them how</li>
    </ul>
    <p>Consent must specifically cover the controller’s name, the
      purposes of the processing and the types of processing activity<br>
      <br>
      Okay? Let's dig a little deeper into consent. <br>
      Consent will be needed for different processing operations
      wherever appropriate – so you need to give granular options to
      consent separately to separate purposes. <br>
      <br>
      So a registrant will have to consent to at least<br>
    </p>
    <ul>
      <li>Escrow Registry to Escrow provider in country X</li>
      <li>Escrow Registrar to Escrow provider in country X</li>
      <li>Cross-border transfer of data to Registry in country X</li>
      <li>ICANN staff USA under set conditions must have access to
        Registry or Registrar RDE deposit</li>
      <li>ICANN staff access for audits</li>
      <li>Third parties selected by ICANN for audits</li>
      <li>Place holder for all the other stuff I am forgetting<br>
      </li>
    </ul>
    <p><br>
      As the PII will be published in the WHOIS that will require
      consent also. But you have to warn the Registrant, so it has to be
      crystal clear what will happen as soon that data becomes public.
      Spam, phone calls by folks trying to sell you stuff, i.e., the
      good stuff we all know about and encounter on a daily basis and
      much more.  <br>
      <i><br>
      </i><i>In data protection, there is the fundamental principle
        which is unchanged even in the age of Big Data.</i><i><br>
      </i><i>The data subject has to be in control of her/his data,
        which means for consent that you need consent for every each of
        the data processing activities (even for minor changes in the
        processing)</i><br>
      <br>
      Now picture a domain name registration flow here. <br>
      We are talking over a thousand of TLD's here scattered all over
      the world. <br>
      This will not increase consumer trust for starters when it comes
      to gTLDs. It will be one big click fest and registration
      conversion will go down the drain. <br>
      <br>
      But let's assume we go this route. <br>
      Right to be forgotten? How do we do that when the WHOIS is scraped
      day and night by unknown third parties? I am not sure how we will
      meet this GDPR requirement. Most likely consent was not "freely"
      given. Perhaps part two will cover this so more. <br>
      <br>
       Withdrawal of consent, how do we envision this GDPR requirement?
      I do not see how we will ever get this working if the current
      status quo is not changing. <br>
      <br>
      Art 6.1(b) can be used for companies who have a very direct
      customer relation on a small base. This is not a solution for
      Registrars nor Registries when it comes to mass registrations that
      happen on a daily basis. <br>
      <br>
      Thanks, <br>
      <br>
      Theo <br>
      <br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21-10-2017 02:41, John Bambenek via
      gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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      Not the last few items discussed, no. That said I have been
      traveling from the past few weeks and need to read them side by
      side for a definitive synthesis. That aside, my primary concern is
      that said officials are not hearing enough from the anti-abuse and
      security community on these tools to have a more fully informed
      discussion. We are working to rectify that. <br>
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        On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a
          href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
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          <div>My apologies, John. It was not clear to me that you had
            read the memo. I am glad to hear that you have. Particularly
            in relation to consent, I thought the advice that the memo
            contained (along with the Hamilton memo) was consistent with
            the advice that we received from the European Data
            Protection Commissioners earlier this year. Would you agree?<br>
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          <div>—Ayden<br>
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            <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
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            <div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that
              might be of interest<br>
            </div>
            <div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:27 AM<br>
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            <div>UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:27<br>
            </div>
            <div>From: <a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a><br>
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            <div>To: Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a
                href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;<br>
            </div>
            <div>Victoria Sheckler &lt;<a
                href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>&gt;,
              GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a
                href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that
              among other things, the notion the EU law should reign
              supreme globally even when it conflicts with local laws as
              patently offensive, among other things. <br>
            </div>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div>Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to
              achieve by insinuating that I am ignorant and not reading
              the mounds of paperwork generated by this group? I mean
              besides the continual, consistent, and vigorous disrespect
              shown to those who work in anti-abuse or security?<br>
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            <div><br>
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            <div>And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it is
              this: it is always better to take the word of the
              regulators over merely that of some lawfirm. Which is what
              I thought we were actually talking about in the first
              place. <br>
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                <div>
                  <div>--<br>
                  </div>
                  <div>John Bambenek<br>
                  </div>
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                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a
                      href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div>John,<br>
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                      <div>Have you read the legal memo that we received
                        from Wilson Sonsini Goodrich &amp; Rosati? <br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>It states on page 14, "asking for consent
                        would not be simple, would not solve all data
                        protection issues, and would pose a number of
                        organizational challenges."<br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>The rationale behind this statement is
                      contained within the memo.<br>
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                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>—Ayden<br>
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                      <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another
                        document that might be of interest<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>From: <a
                          href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>To: Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Victoria Sheckler &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>&gt;,
                        GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a
                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
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                      <div><br>
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                      <div>So, in short, if we create a consent system,
                        we are fine. <br>
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                      <div><br>
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                      <div>
                        <div>Am I missing something?<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
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                        <div>
                          <div>--<br>
                          </div>
                          <div>John Bambenek<br>
                          </div>
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                        <div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden
                            Férdeline &lt;<a
                              href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<br>
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                            <div>I would like to flag two extracts from
                              this Regulation that may be relevant to
                              our work:<br>
                            </div>
                            <ul>
                              <li>"The Registry should also comply with
                                the relevant data protection rules,
                                principles, guidelines and best
                                practices, notably concerning the amount
                                and type of data displayed in the WHOIS
                                database." (page 3)<br>
                              </li>
                              <li>"The WHOIS database shall contain
                                information about the holder of a domain
                                name that is relevant and not excessive
                                in relation to the purpose of the
                                database. In as far as the information
                                is not strictly necessary in relation to
                                the purpose of the database, and <b>if
                                  the domain name holder is a natural
                                  person, the information that is to be
                                  made publicly available shall be
                                  subject to the unambiguous consent of
                                  the domain name holder</b>." (page 10
                                - emphasis added)<br>
                              </li>
                            </ul>
                            <div>Thank you, <br>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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                              <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
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                              <div>Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another
                                document that might be of interest<br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM<br>
                              </div>
                              <div>UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47<br>
                              </div>
                              <div>From: <a
                                  href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>To: GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a
                                  href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">I think we missed
                                  this document when we were reviewing
                                  documents for this WG back in the day,
                                  and thought some of you might find it
                                  of interest given our current
                                  discussions on GDPR<br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">COMMISSION
                                  REGULATION (EC) No 874/2004 of 28
                                  April 2004 laying down public policy
                                  rules concerning the implementation
                                  and functions of the .eu Top Level
                                  Domain and the principles governing
                                  registration, available at <a
href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF</a><br>
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