<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>It is not really a question of being offensive.</div><div><br></div><div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The GDPR applies to all companies that have sufficient contacts with the EU to justify the exercise of jurisdiction.</div><div><br></div><div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The fact that jurisdiction is exercised does not imply that the GDPR will be enforced as to NON-EU members. Even if jurisdiction exists, the GDPR remains applicable only as to data of EU individuals.</div><div><br></div><div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>This is no different from the application of any law by any jurisdiction in the world. An example would be the US Securities laws. These apply whenever a company offers or sells securities to US residents. It matters not whether the company offering the securities is </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A US company offering to US “investors”</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A Japanese company offering to US ‘Investors”</div><div><br></div><div>Neither of these instances are examples of the US enforcing its laws outside of its jurisdiction.</div><div><br></div><div>So, please lets try to apply consistent logic to the situation.</div><div><br></div><div>The GDPR exists. It is not going away.</div><div>It may be modified but as of now it has not been.</div><div>It will come into effect May 2018.</div><div>We need to deal with this reality.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, October 23, 2017 at 10:23 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div>
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<p>When it comes to what may or may not be offensive, ultimately
that does not matter. Your personal feeling about a law do not
enter into its relevance. You may not like it, but it exists. I am
sure many companies find certain overreaching US laws offensive as
well, for example the rules with regard to sanctions, but thy are
effectiver and applicable nontheless. <br>
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<p>Be offended by European law as much as you want, but when you
calm down again, please note that offense does not have a part in
the process of making a legally compliant policy.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27 schrieb John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that among other
things, the notion the EU law should reign supreme globally even
when it conflicts with local laws as patently offensive, among
other things.
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<div>Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to achieve
by insinuating that I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of
paperwork generated by this group? I mean besides the continual,
consistent, and vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in
anti-abuse or security?</div>
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<div>And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it is this:
it is always better to take the word of the regulators over
merely that of some lawfirm. Which is what I thought we were
actually talking about in the first place. </div>
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On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>John,<br>
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Have you read the legal memo that we received from
Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati? <br>
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It states on page 14, "asking for consent would not be
simple, would not solve all data protection issues, and
would pose a number of organizational challenges."<br>
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<div>The rationale behind this statement is contained
within the memo.<br>
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<div>—Ayden<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document
that might be of interest<br>
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<div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06<br>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a><br>
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<div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
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<div>Victoria Sheckler <<a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>>,
GNSO RDS PDP <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div>So, in short, if we create a consent system, we are
fine. <br>
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<div>Am I missing something?<br>
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<div>John Bambenek<br>
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<div>On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>
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<div>I would like to flag two extracts from this
Regulation that may be relevant to our work:<br>
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<ul>
<li>"The Registry should also comply with the
relevant data protection rules, principles,
guidelines and best practices, notably
concerning the amount and type of data
displayed in the WHOIS database." (page 3)<br>
</li>
<li>"The WHOIS database shall contain
information about the holder of a domain name
that is relevant and not excessive in relation
to the purpose of the database. In as far as
the information is not strictly necessary in
relation to the purpose of the database, and <b>if
the domain name holder is a natural person,
the information that is to be made publicly
available shall be subject to the
unambiguous consent of the domain name
holder</b>." (page 10 - emphasis added)<br>
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<div>Thank you, <br>
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<div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
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<div>Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document
that might be of interest<br>
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<div>Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47<br>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a><br>
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<div>To: GNSO RDS PDP <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we missed this
document when we were reviewing documents
for this WG back in the day, and thought
some of you might find it of interest given
our current discussions on GDPR<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">COMMISSION REGULATION
(EC) No 874/2004 of 28 April 2004 laying
down public policy rules concerning the
implementation and functions of the .eu Top
Level Domain and the principles governing
registration, available at <a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF" moz-do-not-send="true">
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF</a><br>
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