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    <p>Agreed.<br>

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    <br>

    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 23.10.2017 um 16:30 schrieb Paul

      Keating:<br>

    </div>

    <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:D613C6C9.B485A%25Paul@law.es">

      <div>It is not really a question of being offensive.</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>The

        GDPR applies to all companies that have sufficient contacts with

        the EU to justify the exercise of jurisdiction.</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>The

        fact that jurisdiction is exercised does not imply that the GDPR

        will be enforced as to NON-EU members.  Even if jurisdiction

        exists, the GDPR remains applicable only as to data of EU

        individuals.</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>This

        is no different from the application of any law by any

        jurisdiction in the world.  An example would be the US

        Securities laws.  These apply whenever a company offers or sells

        securities to US residents.  It matters not whether the company

        offering the securities is </div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>A

        US company offering to US “investors”</div>

      <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">        </span>A

        Japanese company offering to US ‘Investors”</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>Neither of these instances are examples of the US enforcing

        its laws outside of its jurisdiction.</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>So, please lets try to apply consistent logic to the

        situation.</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>The GDPR exists.  It is not going away.</div>

      <div>It may be modified but as of now it has not been.</div>

      <div>It will come into effect May 2018.</div>

      <div>We need to deal with this reality.</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <div>Paul</div>

      <div><br>

      </div>

      <span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">

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            style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> &lt;<a

            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"

            moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>&gt;

          on behalf of Volker Greimann &lt;<a

            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"

            moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;<br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, October

          23, 2017 at 10:23 AM<br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> &lt;<a

            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

            moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re:

          [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest<br>

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              <p>When it comes to what may or may not be offensive,

                ultimately that does not matter. Your personal feeling

                about a law do not enter into its relevance. You may not

                like it, but it exists. I am sure many companies find

                certain overreaching US laws offensive as well, for

                example the rules with regard to sanctions, but thy are

                effectiver and applicable nontheless. <br>

              </p>

              <p>Be offended by European law as much as you want, but

                when you calm down again, please note that offense does

                not have a part in the process of making a legally

                compliant policy.</p>

              <p>Best,</p>

              <p>volker<br>

              </p>

              <br>

              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27

                schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>

              </div>

              <blockquote type="cite"

                cite="mid:37919776-473E-4A09-B44A-8251698A3810@bambenekconsulting.com">

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                Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that

                among other things, the notion the EU law should reign

                supreme globally even when it conflicts with local laws

                as patently offensive, among other things. 

                <div><br>

                </div>

                <div>Is there a particular outcome that you are trying

                  to achieve by insinuating that I am ignorant and not

                  reading the mounds of paperwork generated by this

                  group? I mean besides the continual, consistent, and

                  vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in

                  anti-abuse or security?</div>

                <div><br>

                </div>

                <div>And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it

                  is this: it is always better to take the word of the

                  regulators over merely that of some lawfirm. Which is

                  what I thought we were actually talking about in the

                  first place. </div>

                <div><br>

                </div>

                <div><br>

                  <div><br>

                    <div id="AppleMailSignature">--

                      <div>John Bambenek</div>

                    </div>

                    <div><br>

                      On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a

                        href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"

                        moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;

                      wrote:<br>

                      <br>

                    </div>

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                      <div>

                        <div>John,<br>

                          <br>

                          Have you read the legal memo that we received

                          from Wilson Sonsini Goodrich &amp; Rosati? <br>

                          <br>

                          It states on page 14, "asking for consent

                          would not be simple, would not solve all data

                          protection issues, and would pose a number of

                          organizational challenges."<br>

                        </div>

                        <div><br>

                        </div>

                        <div>The rationale behind this statement is

                          contained within the memo.<br>

                        </div>

                        <div><br>

                        </div>

                        <div>—Ayden<br>

                        </div>

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                            protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br>

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                        </div>

                        <div><br>

                        </div>

                        <blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">

                          <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>

                          </div>

                          <div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another

                            document that might be of interest<br>

                          </div>

                          <div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM<br>

                          </div>

                          <div>UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06<br>

                          </div>

                          <div>From: <a

                              href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"

                              moz-do-not-send="true">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a><br>

                          </div>

                          <div>To: Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a

                              href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"

                              moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;<br>

                          </div>

                          <div>Victoria Sheckler &lt;<a

                              href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"

                              moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>&gt;,

                            GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a

                              href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                              moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>

                          </div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div>So, in short, if we create a consent

                            system, we are fine. <br>

                          </div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div>

                            <div>Am I missing something?<br>

                            </div>

                            <div><br>

                            </div>

                            <div>

                              <div>--<br>

                              </div>

                              <div>John Bambenek<br>

                              </div>

                            </div>

                            <div>

                              <div><br>

                              </div>

                              <div>On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden

                                Férdeline &lt;<a

                                  href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"

                                  moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;

                                wrote:<br>

                              </div>

                            </div>

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                              <div>

                                <div>I would like to flag two extracts

                                  from this Regulation that may be

                                  relevant to our work:<br>

                                </div>

                                <ul>

                                  <li>"The Registry should also comply

                                    with the relevant data protection

                                    rules, principles, guidelines and

                                    best practices, notably concerning

                                    the amount and type of data

                                    displayed in the WHOIS database."

                                    (page 3)<br>

                                  </li>

                                  <li>"The WHOIS database shall contain

                                    information about the holder of a

                                    domain name that is relevant and not

                                    excessive in relation to the purpose

                                    of the database. In as far as the

                                    information is not strictly

                                    necessary in relation to the purpose

                                    of the database, and <b>if the

                                      domain name holder is a natural

                                      person, the information that is to

                                      be made publicly available shall

                                      be subject to the unambiguous

                                      consent of the domain name holder</b>."

                                    (page 10 - emphasis added)<br>

                                  </li>

                                </ul>

                                <div>Thank you, <br>

                                </div>

                                <div><br>

                                </div>

                                <div>Ayden Férdeline<br>

                                </div>

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                                <blockquote type="cite"

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                                  <div>-------- Original Message

                                    --------<br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div>Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]

                                    another document that might be of

                                    interest<br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div>Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47

                                    PM<br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div>UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47<br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div>From: <a

                                      href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com"

                                      moz-do-not-send="true">vsheckler@riaa.com</a><br>

                                  </div>

                                  <div>To: GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a

                                      href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>

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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">I think we

                                      missed this document when we were

                                      reviewing documents for this WG

                                      back in the day, and thought some

                                      of you might find it of interest

                                      given our current discussions on

                                      GDPR<br>

                                    </p>

                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>

                                    </p>

                                    <p class="MsoNormal">COMMISSION

                                      REGULATION (EC) No 874/2004 of 28

                                      April 2004 laying down public

                                      policy rules concerning the

                                      implementation and functions of

                                      the .eu Top Level Domain and the

                                      principles governing registration,

                                      available at <a

href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF"

                                        moz-do-not-send="true">

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF</a><br>

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