<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Theo,<br><br></div>You clearly don&#39;t understand the nature of the Internet - It is a network of networks. Some are public and some are private. Nobody is obliged to accept packets from anyone. I do blocking of traffic on a daily basis. It is normally at a very granular level based on malicious network traffic. Sometimes it is based on IP Address or ASN and sometimes it is based on domain. Sometimes we block activity based on email address. Sometimes it is based on first hand observation of activity and sometimes it is based on 3rd party information.<br><br>There are all sorts of lists and inputs available that people/organizations use for all sorts of decisions. Your packets are not entitled to &quot;due process&quot; on someone else&#39;s private network.<br><br>For example, some networks block traffic from Russia based on the fact that they have no legitimate traffic from that country and a high percentage of malicious traffic originates from there. You can get a list of all the ASNs associated with Russia. Or perhaps those networks don&#39;t like the fact that Russia invaded Crimea.<br><br></div>One would hope that someone wouldn&#39;t block simply on the basis of a blog article, but if they choose to, why is that any of your business? Their decision is based on the lack of visibility into data points which they have learned are extremely useful in combating abuse. Lack of those data points may make their networks, their organization and (other) users at risk.<br><br></div>Michael Hammer<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 9:30 AM, theo geurts <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

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    <p>.Amsterdam been offering free privacy on a Registry level since

      2016. <br>

    </p>

    <p>It would be strange they now get added to blocklists or RPZ&#39;s due

      to a blog article. If this is how these blocklists work than they

      should be banned and made illegal as there is no real due process.

      <br>

    </p>

    <p>Theo <br>

    </p><div><div class="h5">

    <br>

    <div class="m_-7357527027512511107moz-cite-prefix">On 24-10-2017 15:24, Dotzero wrote:<br>

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      <div dir="ltr">

        <div>

          <div>I don&#39;t think that is the reaction John was thinking of

            Volker. <br>

            <br>

            One reaction (proposal that has actually been made this

            morning) to the going dark steps taken by Mijndomein is to

            add FRLregistry and dotAmsterdam to block lists or RPZ. I

            don&#39;t know whether this proposal will gain traction or not.

            Other potential reactions might include blocking domains

            registered through particular registrars. There is certainly

            a potential for balkanization of the Internet from these

            sorts of actions.<br>

            <br>

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          Personally I&#39;m taking a wait and see approach before deciding

          what to propose internally within my organization for traffic

          originating from TLDs or registrars who have gone dark. <br>

          <br>

        </div>

        Michael Hammer<br>

      </div>

      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>

        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Volker

          Greimann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;</span>

          wrote:<br>

          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">

              <p>True. Legal Requirement (Action) -&gt; Compliant

                implementation (Reaction)</p>

              <p>Seriously though, I see this as a legitimate proposal

                for a registry operator to both meet the needs of law

                enforcement to access this data and the data protection

                requirements in the jurisdictions that affect their

                business.</p>

              <p>ICANN should not have turned this into a compliance

                matter, but now that they did, It is good to see them

                stand up and defend their need to remain compliant with

                applicable laws. I see this as a model of how all Whois

                data for European data subjects will likely look in less

                than 6 months. <br>

              </p>

              <p>Best,</p>

              <p>Volker<br>

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                  <p><br>

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                  <br>

                  <div class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626moz-cite-prefix">Am

                    24.10.2017 um 12:42 schrieb John Bambenek:<br>

                  </div>

                  <blockquote type="cite"> Every action has an equal and

                    opposite reaction. <br>

                    <br>

                    <div id="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626AppleMailSignature">--

                      <div>John Bambenek</div>

                    </div>

                    <div><br>

                      On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:48, Volker Greimann &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;

                      wrote:<br>

                      <br>

                    </div>

                    <blockquote type="cite">

                      <div>

                        <p>Fighting the good fight.<br>

                        </p>

                        <br>

                        <div class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626moz-cite-prefix">Am

                          24.10.2017 um 11:32 schrieb Kris Seeburn:<br>

                        </div>

                        <blockquote type="cite"> This might be

                          interesting news….

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div><a href="http://domainincite.com/22218-amsterdam-refuses-to-publish-whois-records-as-gdpr-row-escalates" target="_blank">http://domainincite.com/22218-<wbr>amsterdam-refuses-to-publish-w<wbr>hois-records-as-gdpr-row-escal<wbr>ates</a></div>

                          <div><br>

                          </div>

                          <div><br>

                            <div><br>

                              <blockquote type="cite">

                                <div>On Oct 24, 2017, at 07:59, jonathan

                                  matkowsky &lt;<a href="mailto:jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net" target="_blank">jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net</a><wbr>&gt;

                                  wrote:</div>

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                                    <div dir="auto">Hi, Chuck, Regarding

                                      below, has a decision been made by

                                      leadership whether to invite the

                                      org folks to meet with us in Abu

                                      Dhabi as Greg A. was suggesting?</div>

                                    <div dir="auto"><br>

                                    </div>

                                    <div dir="auto">Thanks </div>

                                    <div dir="auto">Jonathan </div>

                                    <br>

                                    <div class="gmail_quote">

                                      <div>On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:46

                                        AM jonathan matkowsky &lt;<a href="mailto:jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net" target="_blank">jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net</a><wbr>&gt;

                                        wrote:<br>

                                      </div>

                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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                                          <div dir="auto">The other week

                                            I was asking this group

                                            about the significance of

                                            the ePrivacy Directive and

                                            asked to get some feedback.</div>

                                          <div dir="auto"><br>

                                          </div>

                                          <div dir="auto">The memo says:</div>

                                          <div dir="auto"><br>

                                          </div>

                                          <div dir="auto">

                                            <div dir="auto">While our

                                              memorandum series will

                                              primarily focus on the

                                              GDPR, we will also address

                                              other relevant pieces of

                                              EU legislation that may

                                              have effect on the

                                              processing of personal

                                              data through the Whois

                                              services, such as but not

                                              limited to the EU ePrivacy

                                              Directive 2002/58/EC and

                                              the proposed new EU

                                              ePrivacy Regulation aimed

                                              to replace the said

                                              directive in May 2018.</div>

                                            <div dir="auto"><br>

                                            </div>

                                            <div dir="auto">This is

                                              exactly what I was asking

                                              to understand.</div>

                                            <div dir="auto"><br>

                                            </div>

                                            <div dir="auto">That said, I

                                              do want to continue our

                                              work, but I also have

                                              limited resources—as do we

                                              all—so the sooner we can

                                              get this information, the

                                              better. It may help us in

                                              deciding the most

                                              efficient way forward, or

                                              at least help confirm we

                                              aren’t wasting our time in

                                              how we move forward here?</div>

                                            <div dir="auto"><br>

                                            </div>

                                            <div dir="auto">Thanks </div>

                                            <div dir="auto">Jonathan </div>

                                          </div>

                                        </div>

                                        <div><br>

                                          <div class="gmail_quote">

                                            <div>On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at

                                              9:40 AM Greg Aaron &lt;<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank">gca@icginc.com</a>&gt;

                                              wrote:<br>

                                            </div>

                                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

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                                                  <p class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626m_7775193058745579155m_7299029587959283055MsoPlainText"><a name="m_-7357527027512511107_m_-59333515633959626_m_7775193058745579155_m_7299029587959283055__MailEndCompose">Dear Chuck:</a></p>

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                                                  <p class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626m_7775193058745579155m_7299029587959283055MsoPlainText"><span>ICANN

                                                      meetings are for

                                                      information-sharing. 

                                                      And since we have

                                                      two efforts

                                                      working on some of

                                                      the exact same

                                                      issues,  I suggest

                                                      that some

                                                      info-sharing could

                                                      be very helpful to

                                                      our volunteers. </span></p>

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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">The ICANN Org effort with Hamilton is clearly

                                                        going to be more

                                                        comprehensive

                                                        than the narrow

                                                        effort our WG

                                                        has received

                                                        from Wilson

                                                        Sonsini.  And as

                                                        you know, the

                                                        Org effort will

                                                        set a precedent

                                                        which will be

                                                        important for

                                                        our WG to

                                                        understand. </span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">The new memo, and those to come, are about the

                                                        impact of GDPR

                                                        on registration

                                                        data and WHOIS. 

                                                        I draw your

                                                        attention to the

                                                        end of the blog

                                                        post:</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">“As a reminder, this legal analysis is intended

                                                        to serve as

                                                        building block

                                                        for community

                                                        discussions

                                                        about how to

                                                        approach GDPR

                                                        issues in the

                                                        domain name

                                                        space. [WHOIS.]</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">Here&#39;s where we need help from the

                                                        multistakeholder

                                                        community:</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">Please review the initial legal analysis and

                                                        provide

                                                        feedback. This

                                                        includes

                                                        identifying

                                                        possible

                                                        questions, and

                                                        how best to

                                                        interact with

                                                        data protection

                                                        agencies and

                                                        others to get to

                                                        the next step of

                                                        the analysis.</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">It will be helpful to receive your feedback at

                                                        the earliest

                                                        opportunity, so

                                                        as to inform the

                                                        upcoming

                                                        discussions at

                                                        ICANN60, and to

                                                        feed into future

                                                        iterations of

                                                        the legal

                                                        analysis.”</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">The RDS WG is the main place where the

                                                        multistakeholder

                                                        community is

                                                        considering

                                                        WHOIS.   So one

                                                        would think that

                                                        ICANN Org would

                                                        have already

                                                        reached out to

                                                        our WG.   I am

                                                        surprised that

                                                        it has not.  

                                                        So, I think it’s

                                                        appropriate for

                                                        us to invite the

                                                        Org folks in. 

                                                        The goal is to

                                                        understand that

                                                        work and ask

                                                        questions. 

                                                        Maybe the RDS WG

                                                        could then

                                                        formulate some

                                                        feedback as

                                                        requested

                                                        above.  After

                                                        all, we’ve been

                                                        thinking about

                                                        this stuff for

                                                        almost two years

                                                        now..</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>As

                                                      part of the

                                                      briefing, it would

                                                      be good to hear

                                                      about this

                                                      effort&#39;s schedule

                                                      and workplan.  The

                                                      memo says: &quot;We

                                                      intend to provide

                                                      a series of

                                                      memorandums, which

                                                      will address

                                                      different aspects

                                                      of the issue and

                                                      where the  scope

                                                      and topics of each

                                                      such memorandum

                                                      will be discussed

                                                      and agreed with

                                                      ICANN. We

                                                      understand that

                                                      ICANN intends to

                                                      make each

                                                      memorandum

                                                      publicly

                                                      available.&quot;  I do

                                                      not see any of

                                                      those details in

                                                      the memo or blog. 

                                                      For example, what

                                                      topics will be the

                                                      subjects of the

                                                      forthcoming

                                                      memos?  There’s

                                                      clearly a plan for

                                                      that.</span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I

                                                      have no idea of

                                                      any of that will

                                                      come out in the

                                                      GDPR session on

                                                      Thursday, but

                                                      since that

                                                      consists of panel

                                                      presentations, I

                                                      am unsure and

                                                      would prefer that

                                                      our WG definitely

                                                      get a briefing and

                                                      a chance to ask

                                                      questions.</span><span><span style="color:windowtext"></span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">All best,</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">--Greg</span></span></p>

                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext"> </span></span></p>

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                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"><span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp<wbr>-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf

                                                          Of<span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Stephanie

                                                          Perrin<br>

                                                          <b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,

                                                          October 19,

                                                          2017 11:19 AM<br>

                                                          <b>To:</b><span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></p>

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                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><br>

                                                          <b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-7357527027512511107m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:

                                                          [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]

                                                          ICANN Legal

                                                          Opinion on

                                                          GDPR - Part 1</span></p>

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                                                  <p><span>I am curious as to how the questions are being

                                                      framed.   Who is

                                                      the client, ICANN

                                                      the MS body, ICANN

                                                      the CEO and staff

                                                      (who have been

                                                      found to be a

                                                      co-controller and

                                                      therefore have an

                                                      interest in

                                                      avoiding fines) or

                                                      ICANN the Board.</span></p>

                                                  <p><span>There are different interests at stake here, I 

                                                      think it would be

                                                      useful to get a

                                                      fuller

                                                      understanding of

                                                      how Teresa

                                                      Swineheart is

                                                      handling the

                                                      development of

                                                      questions.</span></p>

                                                  <p><span>Stephanie Perrin</span></p>

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                                                      2017-10-19 10:43,

                                                      Chuck wrote:</p>

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                                                    <pre>Greg,</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Having just finished reading the Hamilton memo, I don&#39;t understand why you</pre>

                                                    <pre>think the WG needs a presentation?  What would a presentation from Teresa or</pre>

                                                    <pre>other ICANN staff person provide us that we couldn&#39;t get from the memo</pre>

                                                    <pre>itself and other sources such as the ICANN Blog, etc.?</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Can you identify any advice from Hamilton that would supplant work we have</pre>

                                                    <pre>been doing?  If so, please identify it.</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>In my opinion:</pre>

                                                    <pre>- The advice of ways forward fits nicely into our policy development</pre>

                                                    <pre>processes.</pre>

                                                    <pre>- The Hamilton Memo confirms much of what we already heard from the DP</pre>

                                                    <pre>experts and Wilson Sonsini so we now have it from three separate sources.</pre>

                                                    <pre>- You are absolutely that we &quot;need to understand and track the legal</pre>

                                                    <pre>advice being made&quot; and that it overlaps what we are doing but I think that</pre>

                                                    <pre>will help us.</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Chuck</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>

                                                    <pre>From: Greg Aaron [<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank">mailto:gca@icginc.com</a>] </pre>

                                                    <pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:25 AM</pre>

                                                    <pre>To: Chuck <a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">&lt;consult@cgomes.com&gt;</a>; &#39;Alan Greenberg&#39; <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">&lt;alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca&gt;</a>;</pre>

                                                    <pre>&#39;GNSO RDS PDP&#39; <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">&lt;gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a></pre>

                                                    <pre>Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Dear WG  leadership:</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>As we expected, this ICANN Org effort will have a profound effect on our</pre>

                                                    <pre>work.  We will need to understand and track the legal advice being made,</pre>

                                                    <pre>which overlaps with and in some places may supplant work we have been doing.</pre>

                                                    <pre>And the memo&#39;s &quot;Finding New Ways Forward&quot;  section (3.9) provides advice for</pre>

                                                    <pre>the policy-making process.  Clearly our WG needs (deserves) a presentation</pre>

                                                    <pre>at Abu Dhabi from Teresa Swinehart, who is heading up this effort. </pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Could this be done at the WG meeting on Wednesday 1 November?  </pre>

                                                    <pre>Wednesday will be better attended, both in-person and remotely.  (Some</pre>

                                                    <pre>members may still be in transit during the WG&#39;s early Saturday morning</pre>

                                                    <pre>meeting.  And the Saturday meeting is at a challenging time for those</pre>

                                                    <pre>participating remotely -- ~6:30 a.m. Saturday morning in Europe /  12:30</pre>

                                                    <pre>a.m. Saturday East Coast USA.)</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>As part of the briefing, it would be good to hear about this effort&#39;s</pre>

                                                    <pre>schedule, workplan, and immediate next steps.  The memo says: &quot;We intend to</pre>

                                                    <pre>provide a series of memorandums, which will address different aspects of the</pre>

                                                    <pre>issue and where the  scope and topics of each such memorandum will be</pre>

                                                    <pre>discussed and agreed with ICANN. We understand that ICANN intends to make</pre>

                                                    <pre>each memorandum publicly available.&quot;</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>All best,</pre>

                                                    <pre>--Greg</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>

                                                    <pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a></pre>

                                                    <pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chuck</pre>

                                                    <pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:51 AM</pre>

                                                    <pre>To: &#39;Alan Greenberg&#39; <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">&lt;alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca&gt;</a>; &#39;GNSO RDS PDP&#39;</pre>

                                                    <pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">&lt;gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a></pre>

                                                    <pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>I want to call attention to the following paragraph:</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>&quot;The memo highlights the complexity of these issues in the domain name</pre>

                                                    <pre>space, and concludes that the current open, publicly available WHOIS</pre>

                                                    <pre>services cannot remain unchanged. The WHOIS system has to become adaptable</pre>

                                                    <pre>to address the GDPR from the European perspective, as well as other changing</pre>

                                                    <pre>regulations around the world.&quot;</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>After input from Data Protection experts, the Wilson Sonsini memo and now</pre>

                                                    <pre>this memo, do any in the WG disagree with this statement?</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Chuck</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>

                                                    <pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a></pre>

                                                    <pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg</pre>

                                                    <pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:04 AM</pre>

                                                    <pre>To: GNSO RDS PDP <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">&lt;gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a></pre>

                                                    <pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>Full Blog post is at</pre>

                                                    <pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/blo<wbr>g/data-protection-and-privacy-<wbr>update</a>.  Alan</pre>

                                                    <pre> </pre>

                                                    <pre>At 19/10/2017 12:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:</pre>

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                                                      <pre>Perhaps it has already been posted, but if not, ICANN has received the </pre>

                                                      <pre>first part of the independent legal analysis of the GDPR in relation to </pre>

                                                      <pre>WHOIS that had been commissioned.</pre>

                                                      <pre> </pre>

                                                      <pre>It can be found at</pre>

                                                      <pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/syste<wbr>m/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-<wbr>part1-16oct</a></pre>

                                                      <pre>17-e</pre>

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                                                    <pre>n.pdf.</pre>

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                                                      <pre> </pre>

                                                      <pre>Alan</pre>

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                                                    <pre> </pre>

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