<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Volker, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Your comparison to US laws regarding sanctions (brief reminder: many, many countries have sanctions of various forms) serves to point out the difference in the community&#39;s approach to OFAC sanctions vs. GDPR.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">When it came to US law regarding sanctions (brief reminder: many, many countries have sanctions of various forms), the CCWG Accountability Jurisdiction Subgroup came together in a robust discussion and have recommended a series of concrete steps to minimize the effect of OFAC sanctions on registries, registrars, registrants, and applicants to be registries and registrars.  I don&#39;t think there was anyone trying to pull the group in the other direction -- lauding sanctions laws and regulations, telling affected parties to live with it, etc., etc.  (Some felt that we did not go far enough, but that&#39;s a different point.) We came together to resolve problems and that&#39;s what our recommendations do.  If we could take that approach, we&#39;d be much better off.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>When it comes to what may or may not be offensive, ultimately
      that does not matter. Your personal feeling about a law do not
      enter into its relevance. You may not like it, but it exists. I am
      sure many companies find certain overreaching US laws offensive as
      well, for example the rules with regard to sanctions, but thy are
      effectiver and applicable nontheless. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Be offended by European law as much as you want, but when you
      calm down again, please note that offense does not have a part in
      the process of making a legally compliant policy.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>volker<br>
    </p><div><div class="h5">
    <br>
    <div class="m_-3024070386585103591moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27 schrieb John
      Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that among other
      things, the notion the EU law should reign supreme globally even
      when it conflicts with local laws as patently offensive, among
      other things. 
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to achieve
        by insinuating that I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of
        paperwork generated by this group? I mean besides the continual,
        consistent, and vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in
        anti-abuse or security?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it is this:
        it is always better to take the word of the regulators over
        merely that of some lawfirm. Which is what I thought we were
        actually talking about in the first place. </div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        <div><br>
          <div id="m_-3024070386585103591AppleMailSignature">--
            <div>John Bambenek</div>
          </div>
          <div><br>
            On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
            <br>
          </div>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <div>
              <div>John,<br>
                <br>
                Have you read the legal memo that we received from
                Wilson Sonsini Goodrich &amp; Rosati? <br>
                <br>
                It states on page 14, &quot;asking for consent would not be
                simple, would not solve all data protection issues, and
                would pose a number of organizational challenges.&quot;<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>The rationale behind this statement is contained
                within the memo.<br>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>—Ayden<br>
              </div>
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                </div>
              </div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <blockquote class="m_-3024070386585103591protonmail_quote" type="cite">
                <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
                </div>
                <div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document
                  that might be of interest<br>
                </div>
                <div>Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM<br>
                </div>
                <div>UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06<br>
                </div>
                <div>From: <a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a><br>
                </div>
                <div>To: Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;<br>
                </div>
                <div>Victoria Sheckler &lt;<a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" target="_blank">vsheckler@riaa.com</a>&gt;,
                  GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>So, in short, if we create a consent system, we are
                  fine. <br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>Am I missing something?<br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div>--<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>John Bambenek<br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden Férdeline &lt;<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>&gt;
                      wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <div>
                      <div>I would like to flag two extracts from this
                        Regulation that may be relevant to our work:<br>
                      </div>
                      <ul>
                        <li>&quot;The Registry should also comply with the
                          relevant data protection rules, principles,
                          guidelines and best practices, notably
                          concerning the amount and type of data
                          displayed in the WHOIS database.&quot; (page 3)<br>
                        </li>
                        <li>&quot;The WHOIS database shall contain
                          information about the holder of a domain name
                          that is relevant and not excessive in relation
                          to the purpose of the database. In as far as
                          the information is not strictly necessary in
                          relation to the purpose of the database, and <b>if
                            the domain name holder is a natural person,
                            the information that is to be made publicly
                            available shall be subject to the
                            unambiguous consent of the domain name
                            holder</b>.&quot; (page 10 - emphasis added)<br>
                        </li>
                      </ul>
                      <div>Thank you, <br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Ayden Férdeline<br>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
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                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote type="cite" class="m_-3024070386585103591protonmail_quote">
                        <div>-------- Original Message --------<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document
                          that might be of interest<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47<br>
                        </div>
                        <div>From: <a href="mailto:vsheckler@riaa.com" target="_blank">vsheckler@riaa.com</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>To: GNSO RDS PDP &lt;<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="m_-3024070386585103591WordSection1">
                          <p class="MsoNormal">I think we missed this
                            document when we were reviewing documents
                            for this WG back in the day, and thought
                            some of you might find it of interest given
                            our current discussions on GDPR<br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"> <br>
                          </p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">COMMISSION REGULATION
                            (EC) No 874/2004 of 28 April 2004 laying
                            down public policy rules concerning the
                            implementation and functions of the .eu Top
                            Level Domain and the principles governing
                            registration, available at <a href="http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF" target="_blank">
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/<wbr>LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=<wbr>CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:<wbr>PDF</a><br>
                          </p>
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