<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">They are blocking in an overbroad fashion in violation of the contract they signed with ICANN. MAYBE you could argue those laws prevent disclosure of natural persons (even with free whois), you cannot argue that legal persons are protected.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>And you know that.&nbsp;<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Oct 24, 2017, at 17:07, Volker Greimann &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
  
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    <p>They are not blocking all of whois. Those with a legal right to
      receive the data still can. <br>
    </p>
    <p>This is not an act of belligerance, this is an attempt to comply
      with legal requirements while still providing some access. So yes,
      indeed, Legal Requirement (Action) -&gt; Compliant implementation
      (Reaction),</p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.10.2017 um 16:49 schrieb John
      Bambenek:<br>
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      They are picking a fight to make a point. There is no legal
      requirement to block all whois. GDPR isnt even in effect yet. The
      reason to block them is and artifact of belligerence they
      initiated. Like I said, every action has an equal and opposite
      reaction.&nbsp;<br>
      <br>
      <div id="AppleMailSignature">--
        <div>John Bambenek</div>
      </div>
      <div><br>
        On Oct 24, 2017, at 15:51, Volker Greimann &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
        wrote:<br>
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          <p>Why should these TLds be put on block lists absent any
            evidence of significant abusive use? Purely as a punitive
            measure for complying with legal requirements? That is not
            reasonable.</p>
          <p>Volker<br>
          </p>
          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.10.2017 um 15:24 schrieb
            Dotzero:<br>
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                <div>I don't think that is the reaction John was
                  thinking of Volker. <br>
                  <br>
                  One reaction (proposal that has actually been made
                  this morning) to the going dark steps taken by
                  Mijndomein is to add FRLregistry and dotAmsterdam to
                  block lists or RPZ. I don't know whether this proposal
                  will gain traction or not. Other potential reactions
                  might include blocking domains registered through
                  particular registrars. There is certainly a potential
                  for balkanization of the Internet from these sorts of
                  actions.<br>
                  <br>
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                Personally I'm taking a wait and see approach before
                deciding what to propose internally within my
                organization for traffic originating from TLDs or
                registrars who have gone dark. <br>
                <br>
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              Michael Hammer<br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 7:00 AM,
                Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;</span>
                wrote:<br>
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                    <p>True. Legal Requirement (Action) -&gt; Compliant
                      implementation (Reaction)</p>
                    <p>Seriously though, I see this as a legitimate
                      proposal for a registry operator to both meet the
                      needs of law enforcement to access this data and
                      the data protection requirements in the
                      jurisdictions that affect their business.</p>
                    <p>ICANN should not have turned this into a
                      compliance matter, but now that they did, It is
                      good to see them stand up and defend their need to
                      remain compliant with applicable laws. I see this
                      as a model of how all Whois data for European data
                      subjects will likely look in less than 6 months. <br>
                    </p>
                    <p>Best,</p>
                    <p>Volker<br>
                    </p>
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                        <br>
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                          24.10.2017 um 12:42 schrieb John Bambenek:<br>
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                        <blockquote type="cite"> Every action has an
                          equal and opposite reaction.&nbsp;<br>
                          <br>
                          <div id="m_-59333515633959626AppleMailSignature">--
                            <div>John Bambenek</div>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
                            On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:48, Volker Greimann
                            &lt;<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;
                            wrote:<br>
                            <br>
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                              <p>Fighting the good fight.<br>
                              </p>
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                                24.10.2017 um 11:32 schrieb Kris
                                Seeburn:<br>
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                              <blockquote type="cite"> This might be
                                interesting news….
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                                <div><a href="http://domainincite.com/22218-amsterdam-refuses-to-publish-whois-records-as-gdpr-row-escalates" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://domainincite.com/22218-<wbr>amsterdam-refuses-to-publish-<wbr>whois-records-as-gdpr-row-<wbr>escalates</a></div>
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                                      <div>On Oct 24, 2017, at 07:59,
                                        jonathan matkowsky &lt;<a href="mailto:jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net</a><wbr>&gt;
                                        wrote:</div>
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                                          <div dir="auto">Hi, Chuck,
                                            Regarding below, has a
                                            decision been made by
                                            leadership whether to invite
                                            the org folks to meet with
                                            us in Abu Dhabi as Greg A.
                                            was suggesting?</div>
                                          <div dir="auto"><br>
                                          </div>
                                          <div dir="auto">Thanks&nbsp;</div>
                                          <div dir="auto">Jonathan&nbsp;</div>
                                          <br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                            <div>On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at
                                              2:46 AM jonathan matkowsky
                                              &lt;<a href="mailto:jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jonathan.matkowsky@riskiq.net</a><wbr>&gt;
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                <div dir="auto">The
                                                  other week I was
                                                  asking this group
                                                  about the significance
                                                  of the ePrivacy
                                                  Directive and asked to
                                                  get some feedback.</div>
                                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto">The memo
                                                  says:</div>
                                                <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div dir="auto">
                                                  <div dir="auto">While
                                                    our memorandum
                                                    series will
                                                    primarily focus on
                                                    the GDPR, we will
                                                    also address other
                                                    relevant pieces of
                                                    EU legislation that
                                                    may have effect on
                                                    the processing of
                                                    personal data
                                                    through the Whois
                                                    services, such as
                                                    but not limited to
                                                    the EU ePrivacy
                                                    Directive 2002/58/EC
                                                    and the proposed new
                                                    EU ePrivacy
                                                    Regulation aimed to
                                                    replace the said
                                                    directive in May
                                                    2018.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">This
                                                    is exactly what I
                                                    was asking to
                                                    understand.</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">That
                                                    said, I do want to
                                                    continue our work,
                                                    but I also have
                                                    limited resources—as
                                                    do we all—so the
                                                    sooner we can get
                                                    this information,
                                                    the better. It may
                                                    help us in deciding
                                                    the most efficient
                                                    way forward, or at
                                                    least help confirm
                                                    we aren’t wasting
                                                    our time in how we
                                                    move forward here?</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto"><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Thanks&nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div dir="auto">Jonathan&nbsp;</div>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">
                                                  <div>On Thu, Oct 19,
                                                    2017 at 9:40 AM Greg
                                                    Aaron &lt;<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gca@icginc.com</a>&gt;
                                                    wrote:<br>
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                                                        <p class="m_-59333515633959626m_7775193058745579155m_7299029587959283055MsoPlainText"><a name="m_-59333515633959626_m_7775193058745579155_m_7299029587959283055__MailEndCompose" moz-do-not-send="true">Dear Chuck:</a></p>
                                                        <p class="m_-59333515633959626m_7775193058745579155m_7299029587959283055MsoPlainText"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
                                                        <p class="m_-59333515633959626m_7775193058745579155m_7299029587959283055MsoPlainText"><span>ICANN
                                                          meetings are
                                                          for
                                                          information-sharing.&nbsp;
                                                          And since we
                                                          have two
                                                          efforts
                                                          working on
                                                          some of the
                                                          exact same
                                                          issues,&nbsp; I
                                                          suggest that
                                                          some
                                                          info-sharing
                                                          could be very
                                                          helpful to our
                                                          volunteers.&nbsp;</span></p>
                                                        <p class="m_-59333515633959626m_7775193058745579155m_7299029587959283055MsoPlainText"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">The ICANN Org effort with Hamilton is clearly
                                                          going to be
                                                          more
                                                          comprehensive
                                                          than the
                                                          narrow effort
                                                          our WG has
                                                          received from
                                                          Wilson
                                                          Sonsini.&nbsp; And
                                                          as you know,
                                                          the Org effort
                                                          will set a
                                                          precedent
                                                          which will be
                                                          important for
                                                          our WG to
                                                          understand.&nbsp;</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">The new memo, and those to come, are about the
                                                          impact of GDPR
                                                          on
                                                          registration
                                                          data and
                                                          WHOIS.&nbsp; I draw
                                                          your attention
                                                          to the end of
                                                          the blog post:</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">“As a reminder, this legal analysis is intended
                                                          to serve as
                                                          building block
                                                          for community
                                                          discussions
                                                          about how to
                                                          approach GDPR
                                                          issues in the
                                                          domain name
                                                          space.
                                                          [WHOIS.]</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">Here's where we need help from the
                                                          multistakeholder
                                                          community:</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">Please review the initial legal analysis and
                                                          provide
                                                          feedback. This
                                                          includes
                                                          identifying
                                                          possible
                                                          questions, and
                                                          how best to
                                                          interact with
                                                          data
                                                          protection
                                                          agencies and
                                                          others to get
                                                          to the next
                                                          step of the
                                                          analysis.</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">It will be helpful to receive your feedback at
                                                          the earliest
                                                          opportunity,
                                                          so as to
                                                          inform the
                                                          upcoming
                                                          discussions at
                                                          ICANN60, and
                                                          to feed into
                                                          future
                                                          iterations of
                                                          the legal
                                                          analysis.”</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">The RDS WG is the main place where the
                                                          multistakeholder
                                                          community is
                                                          considering
                                                          WHOIS.&nbsp;&nbsp; So
                                                          one would
                                                          think that
                                                          ICANN Org
                                                          would have
                                                          already
                                                          reached out to
                                                          our WG.&nbsp;&nbsp; I am
                                                          surprised that
                                                          it has not.&nbsp;&nbsp;
                                                          So, I think
                                                          it’s
                                                          appropriate
                                                          for us to
                                                          invite the Org
                                                          folks in.&nbsp; The
                                                          goal is to
                                                          understand
                                                          that work and
                                                          ask
                                                          questions.&nbsp;
                                                          Maybe the RDS
                                                          WG could then
                                                          formulate some
                                                          feedback as
                                                          requested
                                                          above.&nbsp; After
                                                          all, we’ve
                                                          been thinking
                                                          about this
                                                          stuff for
                                                          almost two
                                                          years now..</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>As
                                                          part of the
                                                          briefing, it
                                                          would be good
                                                          to hear about
                                                          this effort's
                                                          schedule and
                                                          workplan.&nbsp; The
                                                          memo says: "We
                                                          intend to
                                                          provide a
                                                          series of
                                                          memorandums,
                                                          which will
                                                          address
                                                          different
                                                          aspects of the
                                                          issue and
                                                          where the&nbsp;
                                                          scope and
                                                          topics of each
                                                          such
                                                          memorandum
                                                          will be
                                                          discussed and
                                                          agreed with
                                                          ICANN. We
                                                          understand
                                                          that ICANN
                                                          intends to
                                                          make each
                                                          memorandum
                                                          publicly
                                                          available."&nbsp; I
                                                          do not see any
                                                          of those
                                                          details in the
                                                          memo or blog.&nbsp;
                                                          For example,
                                                          what topics
                                                          will be the
                                                          subjects of
                                                          the
                                                          forthcoming
                                                          memos?&nbsp;
                                                          There’s
                                                          clearly a plan
                                                          for that.</span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>&nbsp;</span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I
                                                          have no idea
                                                          of any of that
                                                          will come out
                                                          in the GDPR
                                                          session on
                                                          Thursday, but
                                                          since that
                                                          consists of
                                                          panel
                                                          presentations,
                                                          I am unsure
                                                          and would
                                                          prefer that
                                                          our WG
                                                          definitely get
                                                          a briefing and
                                                          a chance to
                                                          ask questions.</span><span><span style="color:windowtext"></span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">All best,</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">--Greg</span></span></p>
                                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="color:windowtext">&nbsp;</span></span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"><span class="m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-<wbr>pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b>On Behalf
                                                          Of<span class="m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Stephanie
                                                          Perrin<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Thursday,
                                                          October 19,
                                                          2017 11:19 AM<br>
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                                                          <b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-59333515633959626Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re:
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                                                          ICANN Legal
                                                          Opinion on
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                                                        <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lucida
Grande&quot;,serif">I am curious as to how the questions are being
                                                          framed.&nbsp;&nbsp; Who
                                                          is the client,
                                                          ICANN the MS
                                                          body, ICANN
                                                          the CEO and
                                                          staff (who
                                                          have been
                                                          found to be a
                                                          co-controller
                                                          and therefore
                                                          have an
                                                          interest in
                                                          avoiding
                                                          fines) or
                                                          ICANN the
                                                          Board.</span></p>
                                                        <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lucida
Grande&quot;,serif">There are different interests at stake here, I&nbsp;
                                                          think it would
                                                          be useful to
                                                          get a fuller
                                                          understanding
                                                          of how Teresa
                                                          Swineheart is
                                                          handling the
                                                          development of
                                                          questions.</span></p>
                                                        <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lucida
Grande&quot;,serif">Stephanie Perrin</span></p>
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                                                          <pre>Greg,</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Having just finished reading the Hamilton memo, I don't understand why you</pre>
                                                          <pre>think the WG needs a presentation?&nbsp; What would a presentation from Teresa or</pre>
                                                          <pre>other ICANN staff person provide us that we couldn't get from the memo</pre>
                                                          <pre>itself and other sources such as the ICANN Blog, etc.?</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Can you identify any advice from Hamilton that would supplant work we have</pre>
                                                          <pre>been doing?&nbsp; If so, please identify it.</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>In my opinion:</pre>
                                                          <pre>- The advice of ways forward fits nicely into our policy development</pre>
                                                          <pre>processes.</pre>
                                                          <pre>- The Hamilton Memo confirms much of what we already heard from the DP</pre>
                                                          <pre>experts and Wilson Sonsini so we now have it from three separate sources.</pre>
                                                          <pre>- You are absolutely that we "need to understand and track the legal</pre>
                                                          <pre>advice being made" and that it overlaps what we are doing but I think that</pre>
                                                          <pre>will help us.</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Chuck</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>
                                                          <pre>From: Greg Aaron [<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gca@icginc.com</a>] </pre>
                                                          <pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 7:25 AM</pre>
                                                          <pre>To: Chuck <a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;consult@cgomes.com&gt;</a>; 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca&gt;</a>;</pre>
                                                          <pre>'GNSO RDS PDP' <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Dear WG&nbsp; leadership:</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>As we expected, this ICANN Org effort will have a profound effect on our</pre>
                                                          <pre>work.&nbsp; We will need to understand and track the legal advice being made,</pre>
                                                          <pre>which overlaps with and in some places may supplant work we have been doing.</pre>
                                                          <pre>And the memo's "Finding New Ways Forward"&nbsp; section (3.9) provides advice for</pre>
                                                          <pre>the policy-making process.&nbsp; Clearly our WG needs (deserves) a presentation</pre>
                                                          <pre>at Abu Dhabi from Teresa Swinehart, who is heading up this effort. </pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Could this be done at the WG meeting on Wednesday 1 November?&nbsp; </pre>
                                                          <pre>Wednesday will be better attended, both in-person and remotely.&nbsp; (Some</pre>
                                                          <pre>members may still be in transit during the WG's early Saturday morning</pre>
                                                          <pre>meeting.&nbsp; And the Saturday meeting is at a challenging time for those</pre>
                                                          <pre>participating remotely -- ~6:30 a.m. Saturday morning in Europe /&nbsp; 12:30</pre>
                                                          <pre>a.m. Saturday East Coast USA.)</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>As part of the briefing, it would be good to hear about this effort's</pre>
                                                          <pre>schedule, workplan, and immediate next steps.&nbsp; The memo says: "We intend to</pre>
                                                          <pre>provide a series of memorandums, which will address different aspects of the</pre>
                                                          <pre>issue and where the&nbsp; scope and topics of each such memorandum will be</pre>
                                                          <pre>discussed and agreed with ICANN. We understand that ICANN intends to make</pre>
                                                          <pre>each memorandum publicly available."</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>All best,</pre>
                                                          <pre>--Greg</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>
                                                          <pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Chuck</pre>
                                                          <pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:51 AM</pre>
                                                          <pre>To: 'Alan Greenberg' <a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca&gt;</a>; 'GNSO RDS PDP'</pre>
                                                          <pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>I want to call attention to the following paragraph:</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>"The memo highlights the complexity of these issues in the domain name</pre>
                                                          <pre>space, and concludes that the current open, publicly available WHOIS</pre>
                                                          <pre>services cannot remain unchanged. The WHOIS system has to become adaptable</pre>
                                                          <pre>to address the GDPR from the European perspective, as well as other changing</pre>
                                                          <pre>regulations around the world."</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>After input from Data Protection experts, the Wilson Sonsini memo and now</pre>
                                                          <pre>this memo, do any in the WG disagree with this statement?</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Chuck</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>-----Original Message-----</pre>
                                                          <pre>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.<wbr>org</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg</pre>
                                                          <pre>Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:04 AM</pre>
                                                          <pre>To: GNSO RDS PDP <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Legal Opinion on GDPR - Part 1</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Full Blog post is at</pre>
                                                          <pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/data-protection-and-privacy-update" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/<wbr>blog/data-protection-and-<wbr>privacy-update</a>.&nbsp; Alan</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>At 19/10/2017 12:23 AM, Alan Greenberg wrote:</pre>
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                                                          <pre>Perhaps it has already been posted, but if not, ICANN has received the </pre>
                                                          <pre>first part of the independent legal analysis of the GDPR in relation to </pre>
                                                          <pre>WHOIS that had been commissioned.</pre>
                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>It can be found at</pre>
                                                          <pre><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part1-16oct" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/<wbr>system/files/files/gdpr-<wbr>memorandum-part1-16oct</a></pre>
                                                          <pre>17-e</pre>
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                                                          <pre>n.pdf.</pre>
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                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
                                                          <pre>Alan</pre>
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                                                          <pre>&nbsp;</pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
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Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
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