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And I am not the person who can change things here. <br>
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Again <br>
We need to balance privacy and abuse. <br>
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Build cases not statements.<br>
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Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26-10-2017 19:25, John Bambenek
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I am not shooting anyone. Just making my point. <br>
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On Oct 26, 2017, at 19:24, Theo <<a
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Mark my words John,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Don't shoot the
messenger here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Theo</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Verzonden vanaf mijn Windows
10-telefoon</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="border:none;padding:0cm"><b>Van:
</b><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">John Bambenek</a><br>
<b>Verzonden: </b>donderdag 26 oktober 2017 19:06<br>
<b>Aan: </b><a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
moz-do-not-send="true">Theo Geurts</a><br>
<b>CC: </b><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">Volker Greimann</a>; <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] More mandatory
reading in preparation for ICANN AD</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is not impossible. I disagree
there are 25 checkboxes any more than there will be 25
checkboxes needed to post a tweet. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The checkbox is “this information will
be in a public database and accessible world-wide so
others can verify domain ownership and contact you. If you
don’t like this, click private registration now.”</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There is no need to overcomplicate a
simple issue. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">John Bambenek</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> On Oct 26, 2017, at 18:51, Theo
Geurts <<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> John,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Let's see.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Escrow requirements
Registry/Registrar.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Country depended/Company depended
and security level depended.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Data retention spec (tons of data
gathered there)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> ICANN, running several WHOIS
programs in conjunction with third-party vendors by GAC
marching orders.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> WHOIS data being processed by
unknown third parties given its current public access.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Over a 1000 TLDs scattered over
all over the globe.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> A simple gTLD registration will
require a registrant to click at least 25 checkboxes to
consent too.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> This is a conservative prediction
and not meant to tick off WG members.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> Theo Geurts</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> On 26-10-2017 18:34, John
Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> Exactly how does this document
say that consent is practically impossible when my reading
of it provides guidance of how such consent could be
achieved?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> As far as private by default,
SHOULD is not MUST. The document doesn’t say that’s a hard
requirement.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> --</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> John Bambenek</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 16:01,
Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> The Council of Europe has
just published a guide on privacy and data protection
principles specifically for ICANN related data processing.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> TL;DR:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 1) Data controller needs
to define twofold purposes for processing; a) related to
policy; b) for contracted parties and their agreements
with data subjects.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 2) Data controller is
fully liable for all data processing performed in
accordance with purpose statement in compliance with all
applicable laws.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 3) Data processed for
purposes not included in purpose statement is unlawful.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 4) Data processing must be
limited by guiding principles of necessity,
proportionality and purpose limitation</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 5) Data processing based
on consent is practically impossible in ICANN context.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 6) Personal data must not
be stored for longer than absolutely necessary for the
legitimate purpose pursued.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 7) ICANN needs formal data
transfer policy for trans-border transfers.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 8) Privacy by design and
default as basis for all processing considerations.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> -- </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen
wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Volker A. Greimann</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> - Rechtsabteilung -</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Key-Systems GmbH</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Im Oberen Werk 1</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 66386 St. Ingbert</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396
901</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396
851</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Email: <a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
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href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>
/ <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a
href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter
oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B
18835 - Saarbruecken</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Umsatzsteuer ID.:
DE211006534</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE
GROUP</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Der Inhalt dieser
Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen
Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe,
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
--------------------------------------------</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Should you have any
further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Best regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Volker A. Greimann</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> - legal department -</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Key-Systems GmbH</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Im Oberen Werk 1</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> 66386 St. Ingbert</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396
901</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396
851</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Email: <a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Web: <a
href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>
/ <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a
href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
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join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Registration No.: HR B
18835 - Saarbruecken</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE
GROUP</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> This e-mail and its
attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is
addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any
content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy,
print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or
transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly
notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting
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<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
<ICANN_privacy_guide_COE.pdf></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>>
_______________________________________________</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing
list</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>>> <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></p>
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_______________________________________________</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">>> <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></p>
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