<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Counterpoint before we start celebrating the Dutch approach to privacy: <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1408647">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1408647</a><div><br></div><div><br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Oct 27, 2017, at 04:23, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Wow, this is harsh. Nothing unexpected though, as they are basically just telling you what we have repreatedly tried telling folks at ICANN for years.</span><br><span></span><br><span>This is why our work is so important. If we do not do it well, Whois will go dark! Not out of malice or because of any nefarious ill will, but out of pure legal necessity.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The abuse lobbyists may not like these legal requirements, but we will have to live with them and act accordingly. .Amsterdam did what they did because they had to, not because they felt like it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Volker</span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>Am 27.10.2017 um 09:08 schrieb Theo Geurts:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/ap-onafgeschermde-publicatie-van-whois-gegevens-strijd-met-de-wet">https://autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/nl/nieuws/ap-onafgeschermde-publicatie-van-whois-gegevens-strijd-met-de-wet</a> </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sorry, for now Dutch only, but Google translate will help out.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Also, consent (Art 6.1b) is a no go according to the Dutch DPA. 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