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    Hi John, <br>
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    You are correct, seems the politicians I voted for are shooting for
    a law that will give the Dutch intelligence agency far-reaching
    powers. <br>
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    But this is a political process, and as political processes go, it
    is already opposed by a large majority of the general public here. <br>
    So we are going to enjoy the debate here in Holland for the next 6
    months or so ;)<br>
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    Thanks, <br>
    <br>
    Theo <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29-10-2017 22:51, John Bambenek via
      gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:<br>
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      Counterpoint before we start celebrating the Dutch approach to
      privacy: <a
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          <div>John Bambenek</div>
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          On Oct 27, 2017, at 04:23, Volker Greimann &lt;<a
            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
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          <div><span>Wow, this is harsh. Nothing unexpected though, as
              they are basically just telling you what we have
              repreatedly tried telling folks at ICANN for years.</span><br>
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            <span>This is why our work is so important. If we do not do
              it well, Whois will go dark! Not out of malice or because
              of any nefarious ill will, but out of pure legal
              necessity.</span><br>
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            <span>The abuse lobbyists may not like these legal
              requirements, but we will have to live with them and act
              accordingly. .Amsterdam did what they did because they had
              to, not because they felt like it.</span><br>
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            <span>Volker</span><br>
            <span></span><br>
            <span></span><br>
            <span>Am 27.10.2017 um 09:08 schrieb Theo Geurts:</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>Sorry, for now Dutch only, but
                Google translate will help out.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>Also, consent (Art 6.1b) is a
                no go according to the Dutch DPA. As it is not freely
                given according to the article.</span><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"><span>Theo Geurts</span><br>
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