<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I've been involved in abuse fighting for quite some time, and my interest in WHOIS data was to correlate objects, not to get the information behind one of them, since that information was bogus, mostly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So I understand why IP concerns want access to actual WHOIS data, but for anti-*, a simple related query could be enough. So instead of knowing if <a href="http://phishing.com" class="">phishing.com</a> belongs to Mickey Mouse, you could access <a href="http://rdap.registrar.com/phishing.com?related=yes" class="">rdap.registrar.com/phishing.com?related=yes</a> and know that the same registrant has also registered <a href="http://farming.com" class="">farming.com</a>, <a href="http://banknameaccounts.com" class="">banknameaccounts.com</a> so now you can expand the investigation into those objects. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Knowing that Mickey Mouse registered those domain could bring me some laughs, but no actionable intelligence. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Neil Schwartzman <<a href="mailto:neil@cauce.org" class="">neil@cauce.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I've decided to withdraw from this and other anti-abuse groups. My best wishes on a successful conclusion to the critically important work you do here. Please don’t mess it up for anti-abuse researchers! For real - our work is what keeps the Internet running, whether you know it, appreciate it, care about it. or not. I am much inclined to believe you do care.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We need access to WHOIS as is, or same level of access of WHOIS WHATWILLBE.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">this might be some credentialed, qualified paid access, but please believe me - we Antis aren’t just saying this to be trenchant. Any strident comments come from a fear for all of our future without this cornerstone to our work. I was going to cobble together a use of WHOIS in my work for a day and it took so long because I use it so much, the thing ended up at several tens of thousands of words, and was really boring to read.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anything less, and things will become an even bigger sewer than it already is. I know you all care, from different angles, so please do bear these words in mind. You argue amongst yourselves, from a position of personal belief in the great goodness this thing of ours has inherent to it. It is a good thing, a great thing, and I intent to use that greatness.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve decided to tackle an easier project; rather than dealing with WHOIS @ ICANN, I’m going to try to bring peace to the Middle East.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Read all about it: <a href="https://medium.com/@neilschwartzman/hate-the-reason-i-quit-spamfighting-866a162d5629" class="">HATE: The Reason I Quit Spamfighting</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yours truly,</div><div class=""><div class="">
<div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""></div><div class="">Neil Schwartzman</div><div class="">Executive Director</div><div class="">Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email</div><div class=""><a href="http://cauce.org/" class="">http://cauce.org</a></div><div class="">Tel : (303) 800-6345</div></div><div class="">Twitter : @cauce</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-position: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></div>
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