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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>As was noted in the chat for last week’s WG call, the Adobe audio stopped working at about 1:14 into the call so the last 4-5 minutes of the call was not recorded in Adobe. I am sure those who listened to the Adobe recording already discovered this as I just did; I will now either listen to the last 5 minutes of the MP3 recording or read the end of the transcript. For anyone who has yet to listened to the recording, please keep this in mind.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></a></p><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose'></span><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Bisland<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 14, 2017 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Recordings, Attendance & AC Chat from Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call on Tuesday, 14 November 2017 17:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email, and the Adobe Connect chat, MP3 & Adobe Connect recording below for the Next-Gen RDS PDP Working group call held on Tuesday, </span>14 November<span style='color:black'> 2017 at 1</span>7<span style='color:black'>:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:15.6pt'><b><span style='color:black'>MP3: </span></b><span style='color:black'> </span><span style='color:#111111'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-14nov17-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-nextgen-rds-pdp-14nov17-en.mp3</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='line-height:15.6pt'><b><span style='color:black'>AC recording:</span></b><span style='color:black'> </span><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p5ch7cim4n5/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=5e8ad2fd87050750fc8c9fe496ff5bd2c78397a0dbac2d3d9785b19e0c512256"><b><span style='color:black;background:white'>https://participate.icann.org/p5ch7cim4n5/</span></b></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar-23nov&d=DwMF-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=GJMkY4Fbi9sry9Z53DaSWJm-mHxMfFxg7MEVDf2JU90&s=FI3QJYH6DWWCDQir6NDMSjPkzdqfTTUmf9Ua-AYpc14&e="><span style='color:purple'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</span></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Mailing list archives:</span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/"><span style='color:purple'>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rds-pdp-wg/</span></a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Wiki agenda page:<b> </b> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/KgByB">https://community.icann.org/x/KgByB</a><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Julie<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'>———————————————<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><u><span style='color:black'>AC Chat Next-Gen RDS PDP WG Tuesday, </span>14 November<span style='color:black'> 2017<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference on Tuesday, 14 November 2017 at 17:00 UTC for 90 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_KgByB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=JegtPmMoogAqmdjY8MbmecplGNYGqB_A2iVYQ--MePU&s=PV7cwCMYcrm7DEcXmhrOrgZIOmvcEj0BEUIojgp9A68&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_KgByB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=JegtPmMoogAqmdjY8MbmecplGNYGqB_A2iVYQ--MePU&s=PV7cwCMYcrm7DEcXmhrOrgZIOmvcEj0BEUIojgp9A68&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hi everyone.....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hi volker<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:Hello Kris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hey julie...how are you doing?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:very well, Kris! you are good i hope!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:yes.. better....just catching up with work ....so much ...but will survive :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:I understand, completely. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:Hello all: Agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_KgByB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=JegtPmMoogAqmdjY8MbmecplGNYGqB_A2iVYQ--MePU&s=PV7cwCMYcrm7DEcXmhrOrgZIOmvcEj0BEUIojgp9A68&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_KgByB&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=JegtPmMoogAqmdjY8MbmecplGNYGqB_A2iVYQ--MePU&s=PV7cwCMYcrm7DEcXmhrOrgZIOmvcEj0BEUIojgp9A68&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Kawaguchi:hello all <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Hammer:Greetings<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco (npoc/csih):Greetings from the True North, cold and free!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Aaron:hello<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> tobrien:morning all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:Displayed now: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_74580010_Handout-2D14Nov-2DRDSWGCall-2Dv4.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=JegtPmMoogAqmdjY8MbmecplGNYGqB_A2iVYQ--MePU&s=NRB3u7EHWg3tcQ_yNR44DAGUbpKqmJrsOv0_4G-o_qY&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_download_attachments_74580010_Handout-2D14Nov-2DRDSWGCall-2Dv4.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=JegtPmMoogAqmdjY8MbmecplGNYGqB_A2iVYQ--MePU&s=NRB3u7EHWg3tcQ_yNR44DAGUbpKqmJrsOv0_4G-o_qY&e</a>=<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:We are on slide 2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:@tobrien - can you please identify yourself with your full name? is this Tim O'Brien?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:We are on slide 3<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann - RrSG:We should also note that "purpose" in the meaning of our group does not necessarily match the definition of "purpose" under data protection laws. So there may be a purpose that is legitimate, but that does not meet the legal requirements for collection and/or provision<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> stephanie perrin:+1 Volke<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> stephanie perrin:r<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:We are on slide 4, starting agenda item 2 - presenting proposed purposes output from drafting teams<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco (npoc/csih):@Volker, Is not the definition of "purpose" the same, but its legitimacy is different?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> stephanie perrin:I really have done nothing useful on this drafting team so better to have Greg....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> stephanie perrin:Different frame entirely Sam<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann - RrSG:potentially, I just want to make sure we understand that defining and agreeing on a legitimate purpose down the road does not mean it will be a purpose that is legitimate with regard to applicable laws<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann - RrSG:legitimate for personal data processing, that is <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco (npoc/csih):@Volker...I agree. @Stephanie....will go after you on that one off-conference...!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:@GregS, could you repeat the alternative definition for Tech Issue Resolution in chat<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:@Tobrien - please identify yourself. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann - RrSG:Greg: I agree!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:We will have to play “catch-up,” since we are #1 in name only....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:To be clear- definitions aren't frozen, it is just that we are transitioning back to working any further changes at the full WG level<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:Tech Issue Resolution (Greg Squared Alternative): Information collected to enable contact of the relevant contacts to facilitate tracing, identification and resolution of incidents related to services associated with the domain name.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Hammer:thank you<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:I think that may be a tall order as it is already Tuesday afternoon/evening for much of us. Personally, I have lengthy meetings tomorrow and Thursday. Perhaps we should renumber ourselves DT99 so we go last....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:@Susan, should last word in individual internet use be "registrant"? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:GregS, there is an important reason we need to start with Tech Issue Resolution next week. Is Friday do-able?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:Or "registration or relevant contact." <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tapani Tarvainen:+1 to adding renewal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:sorry, can;'t speak --- see my cmments on chat<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Kawaguchi:We are on page 5 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:Lisa, I would hope we can make Friday work, but that depends on the aggregate work/availability of the group.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:+1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:this was led by Chuck, Members: Elizabeth Bacon, Theo Geurts, Steve Metalitz, Krishna Seeburn, Farell Folly, Bastiaan Goslings<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:Steve, would you like a dialout ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:sorry mic is not muted but can't speak. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:@Steve - it doesn't look like your mic is connected<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Bastiaan Goslings:Steve is probably the best to comment on this, so it's unfortunate he has tech issues<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:I was not designated to present . Could take a dial out but will have to sign off in 10 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:Unfortunately I think contractual enf and regulatory enf were same DT<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:Coordinated by: Chuck GomesMembers: Paul Keating, Roger Carney, Vicky Sheckler, Farzaneh Badii, Griffin Barnett, Juan Manuel Rojas.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:same DT<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:incorrect julie<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:DT5 not DT6<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:we are DT 6<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:covering legal actions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:Jumping to slide 6 Legal Actions<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Julie Bisland:sorry for that everyone, my copy/paste failed me<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:I am on autdio bridge now<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:Yes, it is you Rod :-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Kawaguchi:On page 6 now <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> steve metalitz:Signing off now --- sorry for delays, I am having recurrent problems with Adobe Connect mic access<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks Steve!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rod Rasmussen:There is definitely a large amount of overlap between LE/Abuse/Regulatory reasons. Use case is largely the same but actors and basis for activities different.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vicky Sheckler:@stephanie - arent' we just talking about typical whois data for now?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vicky Sheckler:need to run - apologies<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Hammer:I think there are some differences, despite the overlap Rod<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Hammer:In many cases, the goal is to stop the abuse without necessarily making a legal case.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Please be aware that reputation is ranking in some particular database and not universal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Dick Leaning:@Michael H - you are right but the thinking now in some parts is that these two should hav ethe same goal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> stephanie perrin:old hand<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Rod Rasmussen:Maxim is spot-on - there is no "universal reputation" list - all such lists have their own parameters and construction, much less timeliness, accuracy, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Marika, please add to "Reputation is not a universal concept" and "a subject to ranking of a particular CyberSecurity organization"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText>Marika Konings:@Maxim - this has been added to the notes. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:we are now on page 8<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:we are now on page 9<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:i wonder why we don't create a scenario and workflow of the building blocks ....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Hammer:Anyone else lose audio on the audio bridge?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tim O'Brien:Greg +1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:if we take on different scenarios these will effectively connect and will also help in defining how the data is required and why the are needed for<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Michael Hammer:Audio came back for jsut a second and then dropped out again.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:@Michael - are you on Adobe Connect audio or on the phone bridge?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:both are working well on my hand so you may want to try reconnecting?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Greg Shatan:We can do our best....<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Lisa Phifer:GregS, thanks - just know the next call depends on the output so we need advance notice if you cannot meet that deadline<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Sam Lanfranco (npoc/csih):Got it!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:Thanks all!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Laura Margolis:thank you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Krishna Seeburn - Kris:thnaks bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>