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    <p>I do not think we will ultimately end up with only registrars
      knowing who the customers are, however some contact methods may
      not be possible for collection and display in external databases.</p>
    <p>We observed as well that there is a correllation between low
      domain prices and likelyhood of abuse, but that is not always the
      case. Sometimes, bad actors do not care about the price of a
      domain and specifically chose high priced domains for their
      purposes to avoid the kind of blocking you describe, especially if
      they have no intention of ever paying the registrar. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 28.11.2017 um 22:30 schrieb allison
      nixon:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7w+6gNWu_=5QxwMAcjOWb0rj1K1mqXZxWdm1bR=oo5Dweg@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>I do not believe it is off topic to consider the downstream
          implications of the actions we take. It is of critical
          importance!<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>When the WHOIS for .amsterdam and .frl became largely
          obfuscated, I was not worried much about it, because the
          extremely high cost of those domains precluded abuse from them
          in the first place. For that reason, nothing happened.<br>
        </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>In the defender world, if we lose WHOIS as a reputation
          factor, other reputation factors become much more prominent.
          TLD blocking is very easy with the tools we already have, but
          with the loss of WHOIS we are going to see a strong upsurge in
          the demand for registrar level blocking. So, say Alpnames is
          spamming a lot of people, and as an owner of an e-mail inbox,
          I don't want to get any more e-mails from Alpnames customers.
          Multiple of my colleagues at large networks have revealed to
          me that in the past, they have done a registrar level block,
          and the economic pressure on the registrars caused them to
          clean up their act with an impressive amount of motivation.
          It's something that most tools don't currently support, but
          likely will in the future.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>If the registrars will be the only people who have any clue
          who their customers are, I think we will see a strong shift
          towards forcing those registrars to take more responsibility
          for their pollution. This is something I am seeing
          increasingly advocated in defender circles, so outsiders are
          likely going to see the results of this in upcoming years.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>With the direction I see things going, I believe that
          anti-abuse will involve imposing economic pressure on
          registrars. It's not unlike how notorious hosting providers
          have been de-peered in the past due to abuse, and there is a
          lot of legal precedent to support the legitimacy of this
          strategy.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Also, many of us outside the ICANN community don't see the
          death of the new TLDs as a bad thing. More people are
          interested in blocking them than supporting them. Companies
          are also realizing that it isn't a good idea to run their
          businesses on new TLDs.  Some of us will cheer when they
          finally go away. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 3:11 PM, theo
          geurts <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
              <p>Agreed Kris, <br>
                <br>
                Thanks, Allison, though this is, I guess, the cold hard
                truth, selling domains dirt cheap or giving them away is
                a sure method to poison a TLD, I think it is a separate
                issue when discussing RDS. <br>
                <br>
                And the examples are clear, and at a point, such TLD
                operators need to re-think their business model and act
                accordingly to keep their TLD alive. <br>
                <br>
                So in May 2018, we will see a lot of use of the privacy
                services due to the GDPR, I guess mostly at a Registrar
                level, but let's not rule out that it might be on a
                Registry level, the dynamics here are shifting day by
                day. <br>
                So my question here, and I hope we can discuss this in
                good faith, but it seems to me that the WHOIS will be an
                irrelevant factor when it comes to the risk/reputation
                score?<br>
                How does/will that play out? <br>
              </p>
              <p>And yes, this is not exactly related to our work when
                it comes to RDS, but since we have the expertise here, I
                think it would be useful to explore this a little more
                even though off topic. I hope the leadership team allows
                this to get a better understanding, for the community on
                what is going down and might happen in a just a few
                months here. <br>
              </p>
              <p>And if we need to do this offlist, sure, no problem. I
                am just trying to get a sense to here to comply with the
                law and keep a business running. </p>
              <p><br>
                Thanks<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                    <br>
                    Theo<br>
                  </font></span></p>
              <div>
                <div class="h5"> <br>
                  <div class="m_8285952796659484416moz-cite-prefix">On
                    28-11-2017 20:57, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                    wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <blockquote type="cite">
                    <p>Full agreement on this point<br>
                    </p>
                    <br>
                    <div class="m_8285952796659484416moz-cite-prefix">On
                      11/28/2017 01:30 PM, Kris Seeburn wrote:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote type="cite"> As we move on …one way or
                      the other the GDPR and other aligned privacy laws
                      will catch up eventually. We will need to find
                      levels and technical ways and reasons to get
                      things to work. We move to RDAPis fine as we look
                      ahead but we should be able to not only look at
                      the laws that we need to respect but also to find
                      technical ways to get and make sure things still
                      continue towork. As this stage personally both are
                      as important.<br>
                      <div><br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          <div>On Nov 28, 2017, at 23:15, allison nixon
                            <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>>
                            wrote:</div>
                          <br
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                          <div>
                            <div dir="ltr">Most systems operators are
                              not afraid to block entire TLDs. While
                              there are no scientific studies out on
                              this matter AFAIK, the help forums are
                              littered with people asking how to block
                              entire TLDs, and also registrants on those
                              TLDs asking why everyone is blocking them.
                              It's enough to conclusively say this is
                              already an issue, and we can thank abuse
                              for this.
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>In this Reddit post, a user learns
                                the hard truth about his brand new XYZ
                                domain:</div>
                              <div><a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reddit.com/r/<wbr>webdev/comments/6jq6f5/<wbr>getting_blocked_should_i_<wbr>abandon_my_xyz_domain/</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>This article discusses Facebook's
                                block of all XYZ domains:</div>
                              <div><a
href="http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://adamyamada.com/<wbr>facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-<wbr>new-domains-pages/</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>This Malwarebytes staff member
                                explains to a legitimate registrant that
                                all .SCIENCE TLDs are blocked and he
                                gets no exception: </div>
                              <div><a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.<wbr>com/topic/173535-all-my-<wbr>science-domains-blocked/</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>In fact, the Malwarebytes "false
                                positive" forum is littered with owners
                                of hacked domains that discovered their
                                problem because of a block, not because
                                of a notification:</div>
                              <div><a
                                  href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.<wbr>com/forum/123-website-<wbr>blocking/</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>This user asks for an 'Existing list
                                of garbage "new" TLDs' to block</div>
                              <div><a
href="https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vamsoft.com/forum/<wbr>topic/597/existing-list-of-<wbr>garbage-new-tlds</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>There are 179 Google search results
                                for people asking Microsoft's help
                                service for ways to block entire TLDs:</div>
                              <div><a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?<wbr>q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:<wbr>answers.microsoft.com</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>There are 72,500 Google search
                                results for "how to block" "tld":<br>
                                <a
                                  href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?<wbr>q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22</a></div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>The Internet is effectively "broken"
                                for any legitimate registrants on these
                                TLDs. </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>As a seller of some of those same
                                TLDs, should you be concerned if your
                                customers purchase domains rendered
                                useless due to blocking? </div>
                              <div>Would you actually refund a customer
                                if they told you they couldn't use the
                                domain for e-mail due to the TLD?</div>
                              <div>Would you warn your prospective .XYZ,
                                .STUDY, .PRESS, .PARTY, etc, customers
                                that they should not use the domains for
                                e-mail?</div>
                              <div>When ICANN releases new gTLDs in the
                                future, do you think that those domains
                                will ever be able to send e-mail?</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Truly, the rest of the world will be
                                fine. The more that ICANN has the "not
                                my problem" attitude, the more the rest
                                of the world is going to push back.
                                ICANN seems to have lost the ability to
                                release new gTLDs without severe
                                connectivity issues, so we also need to
                                ask the question: "why are these guys
                                selling the digital equivalent of the
                                scarlet letter and not warning their
                                customers beforehand?"</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I think the question of selling
                                defective products is one that needs to
                                be addressed more seriously by
                                regulators and outside parties. </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>I can also tell you that security
                                vendors are already looking into other
                                anti-abuse techniques for domains
                                post-WHOIS, and I can also tell you that
                                they will result in an increase in the
                                percentage of legitimate domains that
                                are blocked. This is your problem now. </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 28,
                                2017 at 12:43 PM, Volker Greimann <span
                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                    href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                  style="margin:0 0 0
                                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                  solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Andrew,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  re:hotbed I was rather intending to
                                  ask whether there is a direct
                                  correllation between TLDs with
                                  redacted whois and issues that go
                                  unresolved. So do you have more
                                  unresolved issues in .<a
                                    href="http://co.uk/"
                                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">co.uk</a>
                                  than in .com (if numbers are
                                  normalized for registered domain
                                  names).<br>
                                  <br>
                                  I am sure no one would consider
                                  blocking the entire mail traffic
                                  originating from the United Kingdom
                                  Top Level Domain just because you
                                  cannot resolve some issues in a few
                                  domains, correct?<br>
                                  <br>
                                  So if everyone followed their (or a
                                  similar) model, the internet would not
                                  break. Some issues would get harder to
                                  solve (or take longer). I am asking
                                  because that is what most likely will
                                  happen on May 25 or sooner.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Volker
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="m_8285952796659484416h5"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      Am 28.11.2017 um 18:27 schrieb
                                      Andrew Sullivan:<br>
                                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                        style="margin:0 0 0
                                        .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                        solid;padding-left:1ex"> On Tue,
                                        Nov 28, 2017 at 04:31:56PM
                                        +0100, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0 0 0
                                          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                          solid;padding-left:1ex"> case
                                          of internet operability
                                          issues. While I appreciate
                                          that there can be<br>
                                          issues that would necessitate
                                          the ability to quickly contact
                                          whoever can fix<br>
                                          the issue, I wonder how this
                                          problem is solved in TLDs
                                          where whois is<br>
                                          already redacted.<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        It's not.  In that case, if I am
                                        the one who has this experience
                                        and I<br>
                                        can't reach the target, then the
                                        problem goes unresolved.  In
                                        mail<br>
                                        cases, as John suggests
                                        elsewhere in this thread, the
                                        answer is very<br>
                                        likely that mail is blocked. 
                                        People seem surprised these days
                                        that<br>
                                        mail is so fragile, but this
                                        sort of thing is part of the
                                        reason.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
                                          style="margin:0 0 0
                                          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
                                          solid;padding-left:1ex"> So
                                          how does it work there? Are
                                          these TLDs hotbeds of DNS
                                          issues and<br>
                                          unresolved problems?<br>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        I don't know what you mean by
                                        "hotbed", or whether that is
                                        intended to<br>
                                        be dismissive.  Some TLDs
                                        defintely have more DNS problems
                                        than<br>
                                        others.  Given how hard the DNS
                                        works to make connections happen
                                        even<br>
                                        when things are badly
                                        misconfigured, lots of stuff
                                        will work to some<br>
                                        extent even when it is badly
                                        configured.  But DNS operations
                                        people<br>
                                        trade stories about problems
                                        amongst themselves, after giving
                                        up on<br>
                                        sites because whois can't help
                                        and the mname in the SOA record
                                        is<br>
                                        broken.  I find this happens
                                        more often than you might
                                        expect.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        But yes, there are broken
                                        domains on the Internet.  I find
                                        it hard to<br>
                                        believe that would be even
                                        slightly remarkable.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Best regards,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        A<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </blockquote>
                                      <br>
                                      -- <br>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen
                                  gerne zur Verfügung.<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Volker A. Greimann<br>
                                  - Rechtsabteilung -<br>
                                  <br>
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