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    <p>My last message was sent before I saw yours, so apologies for
      that.</p>
    <p>Thanks for leading us back to the path and apologies for straying
      in the first place. <br>
    </p>
    <p>I do hope we will be able to move past the mistrust and
      accusations of ill intent. This is not how ICANN policy work can
      work. I hope we can instead focus on creating a model of an RDS
      that stays within legal requirements but still does not break the
      internet.</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.11.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Chuck:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I agree that
            it is time to get back to Whois (RDS).  In my opinion, the
            discussion on this thread the last few days has not been
            without value because it has clarified what I think are
            legitimate issues and possible consequences of decisions the
            WG will make.  It also has demonstrated a large degree of
            mistrust; recognizing that also can have some value in our
            work but there is no need to belabor it further.  Instead
            let’s focus on our tasks at hand, which currently are to
            agree on legitimate purposes for collecting RDS data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                style="color:windowtext"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
                  Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:04 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> allison nixon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"><elsakoo@gmail.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contactability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Hi Allison,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>I'd be happy to discuss our abuse handling procedures
          (off-list), but suffice it to say that any complaint must be
          accompanied by appropriate evidence that will allow us to make
          a determination. When someone engaged in fighting abuse is
          unwilling to provide the necessary data elements that will
          allow us to make that determination, that is suspicious to say
          the least. When you request cooperation, you must be willing
          to do the same. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Again, we cannot simply willy-nilly take action on someones'
          say-so. We need evidence that will allow us to defend our
          decision to take action if we are challenged on that call. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>We have seen complaints where:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>a) the complaint is based solely on the mention of a domain
          in the "From" field<br>
          b) the domain name sending the spam message is not registered
          through us, but the domain name used as a name-server for that
          domain is <br>
          c) it clearly is an issue of a hacked CMS<br>
          d) the recipient had previously opted in to receive such
          messages and the alleged spammer was able to demonstrate that<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>and many other examples, all from well-known spam fighters or
          through their reporting engines. <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>If you do not trust us with the data we need to make a
          determination, we will not get this issue resolved.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Now, back to whois!<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Am 30.11.2017 um 15:48 schrieb allison
            nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">See this is another example of the
                attitude I'm describing. If you're going to hold the
                requirement for evidence so high that you're requesting
                details that they are not willing to hand over (probably
                the identities of their email addresses that received
                the spam, or something like that, right? Or a large
                volume of evidence that would tie up their time
                procuring?), then you aren't going to get what you want.
                Your company is just another registrar in a vast ocean
                of registrars that get complaints, and none of us have
                time to spend on any of them. Registrars are not trusted
                by default, either. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">You can classify that as blackhat
                behavior if you want, but where is the extortion? They
                seem to be only requesting that you reduce the volume of
                lawbreaking customers that pay you money for the
                opportunity. Find me a judge that won't sympathize with
                that. The spammers haven't been able to, in all their
                lawsuits filed against spamhaus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">There is also the credibility issue.
                From the perspective of a network operator, when they
                see a conflict between spamhaus saying something is
                spam, and a registrar saying they wont do anything about
                it because the spam email doesnt literally pass through
                their nameservers(of course it wouldn't), spamhaus has
                far more credibility than anything your company says.
                You've already lost in the court of public opinion,
                which is the only one that matters in this situation.
                Your domains won't get unblocked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">You can complain about blackhat
                activity till the cows come home but you won't find a
                judge in the civilized world that will side with you.
                And if whois goes away, you may find that spamhaus's
                opinions of your domains are going to affect you even
                more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">Further verbal assaults against
                spamhaus only make your company look like a spam
                friendly organization in the eyes of network operators.
                It won't get you unblocked and will probably only make
                the situation worse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:39 AM,
                Volker Greimann <<a
                  href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p>I can just re-iterate that any responsible
                    registrar will take action when provided with
                    actionable evidence of abuse by their customers.
                    Reports by black-hats like Spamhouse that usually
                    only make unsubstantiated claims and refuse to
                    provide actual evidence and instead rely on threats
                    like the ones you are making do not deserve the same
                    consideration. We will take any of their reports and
                    if they can be independently verified, we will take
                    action, but we cannot take their word as gospel.<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>The usual communication with them goes something
                    like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Them: "This domain is bad and you should feel bad
                    for having registered it."<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Us: "Well, we cannot check that ourselves since the
                    abuse does not pass our servers! Can you provide
                    evidence?"<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Them: "Here is the link to the evidence!"<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Us: "That is not evidence, those are claims.  Can
                    you show us these claims are true?"<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Them: "We do not share our methodologies."<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Us: "As we cannot confirm the complaint and have
                    seen no evidence that we can verify, so I am afraid
                    we cannot help you until you do give us something
                    more substantial"<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p>Them: "If you do not immediately take action, we
                    will: (1) Lie to ICANN about you not responding to
                    abuse complaints; (2) blacklist your all services
                    even though they were not involved in the alleged
                    abuse."<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">That, to me, is a black hat. They
                    may mean well, but it makes them unreliable as a
                    source. We need evidence of abuse to take action,
                    not claims and of you cannot provide such evidence,
                    then you have no business in fighting abuse. <br>
                    <span style="color:#888888"><br>
                      <span
                        class="m-9220732214027584385m7168477860784410894hoenzb">Volker</span></span>
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.11.2017 um 18:39
                          schrieb allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">This is the exact
                            attitude I'm referring to. Not specifically
                            only from Volker, but also from other
                            people. This is why Internet users will
                            increasingly turn their backs on ICANN's
                            DNS. Unless the ICANN community steps
                            outside of their bubble and actually
                            recognizes the problems the average Internet
                            user faces. ICANN may have a monopoly on
                            domain names, but it's not immune to
                            consequences caused by bad caretaking.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">And wholly invalidating
                              the opinions of a blacklist provider that
                              enjoys the largest support base (AFAIK) of
                              average Internet users is a perfect
                              example of this. It is to ignore evidence
                              of a serious defect in your(the collective
                              you) own product, when people are actively
                              trying to notify you of such.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at
                              12:21 PM, Volker Greimann <<a
                                href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">I think we are
                                  moving away from the topic, but
                                  suffice it to say that I do not
                                  consider their publications evidence.
                                  "Domains seen" indeed... Ignoring them
                                  is the better options unless they
                                  develop better methodologies _and_
                                  start sharing them for peer
                                  examination.<span
                                    style="color:#888888"><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <span
class="m-9220732214027584385m7168477860784410894m-3258645503691039737hoenzb">Volker</span></span>
                                  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <br>
                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.11.2017
                                        um 18:03 schrieb allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Spamhaus's
                                          list IS "actual evidence" <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">They are
                                            based on domains they have
                                            seen, which are e-mails sent
                                            using domains from that
                                            registrar. Most of the hate
                                            out there against Spamhaus
                                            comes from spammers but they
                                            are AFAIK the largest
                                            provider of blocklists out
                                            there. That only happens
                                            because their customers see
                                            the results they want.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Love them
                                            or hate them, you can't
                                            ignore them. If Spamhaus
                                            listed an IP range, that
                                            range would suffer severe
                                            connectivity issues across
                                            the entire Internet. When it
                                            comes to interoperability,
                                            Spamhaus's lists effectively
                                            matter more than ICANN's
                                            accreditation. The Internet
                                            is relying more and more
                                            heavily on these services
                                            because ICANN has failed to
                                            keep its product clean.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Wed,
                                            Nov 29, 2017 at 11:51 AM,
                                            Volker Greimann <<a
                                              href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                              target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                          <blockquote
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                                            6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
                                            <div>
                                              <p>Interesting statistic,
                                                but as it is coming from
                                                Spamhaus, I'll take it
                                                with a grain of salt,
                                                especially if the
                                                "Domains seen" number
                                                does not match the
                                                number of domains a
                                                registrar actually has
                                                under management. I am
                                                not disputing that some
                                                of these registrars may
                                                be problematic, but will
                                                reserve judgment until I
                                                see some actual
                                                evidence. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                              <p><span
                                                  style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Am
                                                      29.11.2017 um
                                                      17:23 schrieb
                                                      allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                        Bastiaan, <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">>>A
                                                          question
                                                          though. I
                                                          understand how
                                                          ’TLD blocking’
                                                          would work as
                                                          an effective
                                                          albeit sledge
                                                          hammer way of
                                                          mitigating
                                                          certain forms
                                                          of spam. And I
                                                          get the
                                                          concept of
                                                          blocking all
                                                          traffic coming
                                                          from
                                                          particular
                                                          hosting-providers,
                                                          ignoring cases
                                                          where spoofing
                                                          of prefixes is
                                                          involved. But
                                                          what exactly
                                                          is ‘registrar
                                                          level
                                                          blocking’?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">>>The
                                                          example you
                                                          refer to is
                                                          (also) a
                                                          hosting/cloud-provider
                                                          - but if that
                                                          were not the
                                                          case, what can
                                                          ‘blocked’
                                                          purely looking
                                                          at the
                                                          registrar
                                                          service
                                                          provided?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">"registrar
                                                          level
                                                          blocking"
                                                          isn't a
                                                          feature that's
                                                          available to
                                                          most e-mail
                                                          inbox owners
                                                          because it is
                                                          a lot more
                                                          complicated
                                                          than writing a
                                                          wildcard for
                                                          example *.xyz
                                                          for an entire
                                                          TLD. It would
                                                          probably
                                                          require a
                                                          multi step
                                                          process of
                                                          WHOIS querying
                                                          the domain
                                                          -> parse
                                                          for registrar
                                                          -> check
                                                          block lists.
                                                          I'm unsure how
                                                          the large
                                                          operators do
                                                          it exactly.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">But
                                                          if you look at
                                                          this page:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">you
                                                          can see a list
                                                          of which
                                                          registrars
                                                          feature most
                                                          prominently in
                                                          spam.
                                                          Registrars
                                                          that get to
                                                          the point have
                                                          a business
                                                          model where
                                                          they profit
                                                          from these
                                                          types of
                                                          customers.
                                                          Alpnames in
                                                          particular was
                                                          in the news
                                                          because leaked
                                                          communications
                                                          revealed they
                                                          were aware of
                                                          the spamming
                                                          and offered to
                                                          not suspend
                                                          the domains
                                                          for abuse. A
                                                          bulletproof
                                                          registrar, if
                                                          you will.
                                                          Despite this
                                                          incident, and
                                                          despite being
                                                          on the
                                                          Spamhaus list
                                                          of "worst
                                                          registrars"
                                                          months later,
                                                          they are still
                                                          an actual
                                                          registrar
                                                          accredited by
                                                          ICANN. An
                                                          equally valid
                                                          participant in
                                                          the DNS as any
                                                          of you here.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">And
                                                          that is barely
                                                          scratching the
                                                          surface.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">So
                                                          you can also
                                                          see how the
                                                          desire to
                                                          block an
                                                          entire
                                                          registrar's
                                                          customerbase
                                                          is directly
                                                          linked to
                                                          ICANN's
                                                          failure to
                                                          decertify the
                                                          registrar. <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Compare
                                                          this "not my
                                                          problem"
                                                          attitude to
                                                          the attitude
                                                          that the
                                                          Google Chrome
                                                          team has
                                                          towards its
                                                          list of
                                                          trusted
                                                          certificate
                                                          providers.
                                                          They have no
                                                          qualms about
                                                          giving the
                                                          death penalty
                                                          to abusers.
                                                          Google is also
                                                          requiring
                                                          companies to
                                                          produce
                                                          "certificate
                                                          transparency"
                                                          logs, a real
                                                          time feed of
                                                          all the certs
                                                          they sign, and
                                                          who they are
                                                          for. Instead
                                                          of wringing
                                                          their hands
                                                          about privacy
                                                          solely on the
                                                          website
                                                          owner's side,
                                                          they
                                                          understand
                                                          that these are
                                                          tools
                                                          massively used
                                                          for abuse and
                                                          actually take
                                                          into account
                                                          the rights of
                                                          people being
                                                          abused by
                                                          these tools.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">As
                                                          a result of
                                                          these
                                                          differing
                                                          attitudes, the
                                                          Chrome browser
                                                          enjoys a lot
                                                          of public
                                                          trust, with
                                                          almost no
                                                          demand for
                                                          custom trust
                                                          lists, and
                                                          ICANN's naming
                                                          system loses
                                                          legitimacy
                                                          every day as
                                                          the collective
                                                          masses of the
                                                          Internet
                                                          increasingly
                                                          turn their
                                                          backs on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Wed, Nov 29,
                                                          2017 at 2:36
                                                          AM, Bastiaan
                                                          Goslings <<a
href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                        <blockquote
                                                          style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                                          #CCCCCC
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Thanks,
                                                          Allison:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          > On 28 Nov
                                                          2017, at
                                                          22:30, allison
                                                          nixon <<a
                                                          href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > I do not
                                                          believe it is
                                                          off topic to
                                                          consider the
                                                          downstream
                                                          implications
                                                          of the actions
                                                          we take. It is
                                                          of critical
                                                          importance!<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > When the
                                                          WHOIS for
                                                          .amsterdam and
                                                          .frl became
                                                          largely
                                                          obfuscated, I
                                                          was not
                                                          worried much
                                                          about it,
                                                          because the
                                                          extremely high
                                                          cost of those
                                                          domains
                                                          precluded
                                                          abuse from
                                                          them in the
                                                          first place.
                                                          For that
                                                          reason,
                                                          nothing
                                                          happened.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > In the
                                                          defender
                                                          world, if we
                                                          lose WHOIS as
                                                          a reputation
                                                          factor, other
                                                          reputation
                                                          factors become
                                                          much more
                                                          prominent. TLD
                                                          blocking is
                                                          very easy with
                                                          the tools we
                                                          already have,
                                                          but with the
                                                          loss of WHOIS
                                                          we are going
                                                          to see a
                                                          strong upsurge
                                                          in the demand
                                                          for registrar
                                                          level
                                                          blocking. So,
                                                          say Alpnames
                                                          is spamming a
                                                          lot of people,
                                                          and as an
                                                          owner of an
                                                          e-mail inbox,
                                                          I don't want
                                                          to get any
                                                          more e-mails
                                                          from Alpnames
                                                          customers.
                                                          Multiple of my
                                                          colleagues at
                                                          large networks
                                                          have revealed
                                                          to me that in
                                                          the past, they
                                                          have done a
                                                          registrar
                                                          level block,
                                                          and the
                                                          economic
                                                          pressure on
                                                          the registrars
                                                          caused them to
                                                          clean up their
                                                          act with an
                                                          impressive
                                                          amount of
                                                          motivation.
                                                          It's something
                                                          that most
                                                          tools don't
                                                          currently
                                                          support, but
                                                          likely will in
                                                          the future.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > If the
                                                          registrars
                                                          will be the
                                                          only people
                                                          who have any
                                                          clue who their
                                                          customers are,
                                                          I think we
                                                          will see a
                                                          strong shift
                                                          towards
                                                          forcing those
                                                          registrars to
                                                          take more
                                                          responsibility
                                                          for their
                                                          pollution.
                                                          This is
                                                          something I am
                                                          seeing
                                                          increasingly
                                                          advocated in
                                                          defender
                                                          circles, so
                                                          outsiders are
                                                          likely going
                                                          to see the
                                                          results of
                                                          this in
                                                          upcoming
                                                          years.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > With the
                                                          direction I
                                                          see things
                                                          going, I
                                                          believe that
                                                          anti-abuse
                                                          will involve
                                                          imposing
                                                          economic
                                                          pressure on
                                                          registrars.
                                                          It's not
                                                          unlike how
                                                          notorious
                                                          hosting
                                                          providers have
                                                          been de-peered
                                                          in the past
                                                          due to abuse,
                                                          and there is a
                                                          lot of legal
                                                          precedent to
                                                          support the
                                                          legitimacy of
                                                          this strategy.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Also,
                                                          many of us
                                                          outside the
                                                          ICANN
                                                          community
                                                          don't see the
                                                          death of the
                                                          new TLDs as a
                                                          bad thing.
                                                          More people
                                                          are interested
                                                          in blocking
                                                          them than
                                                          supporting
                                                          them.
                                                          Companies are
                                                          also realizing
                                                          that it isn't
                                                          a good idea to
                                                          run their
                                                          businesses on
                                                          new TLDs. 
                                                          Some of us
                                                          will cheer
                                                          when they
                                                          finally go
                                                          away.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Without any
                                                          specific
                                                          knowledge of
                                                          the industry,
                                                          your line of
                                                          reasoning
                                                          makes sense to
                                                          me, i.e. ‘If
                                                          the registrars
                                                          will be the
                                                          only people
                                                          who have any
                                                          clue who their
                                                          customers are,
                                                          I think we
                                                          will see a
                                                          strong shift
                                                          towards
                                                          forcing those
                                                          registrars to
                                                          take more
                                                          responsibility’
                                                          as well as the
                                                          ‘anti-abuse
                                                          will involve
                                                          imposing
                                                          economic
                                                          pressure on
                                                          registrars’.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          (Fyi I will
                                                          not comment on
                                                          the ’their
                                                          pollution’)<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          A question
                                                          though. I
                                                          understand how
                                                          ’TLD blocking’
                                                          would work as
                                                          an effective
                                                          albeit sledge
                                                          hammer way of
                                                          mitigating
                                                          certain forms
                                                          of spam. And I
                                                          get the
                                                          concept of
                                                          blocking all
                                                          traffic coming
                                                          from
                                                          particular
                                                          hosting-providers,
                                                          ignoring cases
                                                          where spoofing
                                                          of prefixes is
                                                          involved. But
                                                          what exactly
                                                          is ‘registrar
                                                          level
                                                          blocking’?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          The example
                                                          you refer to
                                                          is (also) a
                                                          hosting/cloud-provider
                                                          - but if that
                                                          were not the
                                                          case, what can
                                                          ‘blocked’
                                                          purely looking
                                                          at the
                                                          registrar
                                                          service
                                                          provided?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -Bastiaan<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > On Tue,
                                                          Nov 28, 2017
                                                          at 3:11 PM,
                                                          theo geurts
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                          > Agreed
                                                          Kris,<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Thanks,
                                                          Allison,
                                                          though this
                                                          is, I guess,
                                                          the cold hard
                                                          truth, selling
                                                          domains dirt
                                                          cheap or
                                                          giving them
                                                          away is a sure
                                                          method to
                                                          poison a TLD,
                                                          I think it is
                                                          a separate
                                                          issue when
                                                          discussing
                                                          RDS.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > And the
                                                          examples are
                                                          clear, and at
                                                          a point, such
                                                          TLD operators
                                                          need to
                                                          re-think their
                                                          business model
                                                          and act
                                                          accordingly to
                                                          keep their TLD
                                                          alive.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > So in May
                                                          2018, we will
                                                          see a lot of
                                                          use of the
                                                          privacy
                                                          services due
                                                          to the GDPR, I
                                                          guess mostly
                                                          at a Registrar
                                                          level, but
                                                          let's not rule
                                                          out that it
                                                          might be on a
                                                          Registry
                                                          level, the
                                                          dynamics here
                                                          are shifting
                                                          day by day.<br>
                                                          > So my
                                                          question here,
                                                          and I hope we
                                                          can discuss
                                                          this in good
                                                          faith, but it
                                                          seems to me
                                                          that the WHOIS
                                                          will be an
                                                          irrelevant
                                                          factor when it
                                                          comes to the
                                                          risk/reputation
                                                          score?<br>
                                                          > How
                                                          does/will that
                                                          play out?<br>
                                                          > And yes,
                                                          this is not
                                                          exactly
                                                          related to our
                                                          work when it
                                                          comes to RDS,
                                                          but since we
                                                          have the
                                                          expertise
                                                          here, I think
                                                          it would be
                                                          useful to
                                                          explore this a
                                                          little more
                                                          even though
                                                          off topic. I
                                                          hope the
                                                          leadership
                                                          team allows
                                                          this to get a
                                                          better
                                                          understanding,
                                                          for the
                                                          community on
                                                          what is going
                                                          down and might
                                                          happen in a
                                                          just a few
                                                          months here.<br>
                                                          > And if we
                                                          need to do
                                                          this offlist,
                                                          sure, no
                                                          problem. I am
                                                          just trying to
                                                          get a sense to
                                                          here to comply
                                                          with the law
                                                          and keep a
                                                          business
                                                          running.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Thanks<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Theo<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > On
                                                          28-11-2017
                                                          20:57, John
                                                          Bambenek via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >> Full
                                                          agreement on
                                                          this point<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >> On
                                                          11/28/2017
                                                          01:30 PM, Kris
                                                          Seeburn wrote:<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          As we move on
                                                          …one way or
                                                          the other the
                                                          GDPR and other
                                                          aligned
                                                          privacy laws
                                                          will catch up
                                                          eventually. We
                                                          will need to
                                                          find levels
                                                          and technical
                                                          ways and
                                                          reasons to get
                                                          things to
                                                          work. We move
                                                          to RDAPis fine
                                                          as we look
                                                          ahead but we
                                                          should be able
                                                          to not only
                                                          look at the
                                                          laws that we
                                                          need to
                                                          respect but
                                                          also to find
                                                          technical ways
                                                          to get and
                                                          make sure
                                                          things still
                                                          continue
                                                          towork. As
                                                          this stage
                                                          personally
                                                          both are as
                                                          important.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 23:15, allison nixon <<a
                                                          href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Most systems operators are not afraid to block entire
                                                          TLDs. While
                                                          there are no
                                                          scientific
                                                          studies out on
                                                          this matter
                                                          AFAIK, the
                                                          help forums
                                                          are littered
                                                          with people
                                                          asking how to
                                                          block entire
                                                          TLDs, and also
                                                          registrants on
                                                          those TLDs
                                                          asking why
                                                          everyone is
                                                          blocking them.
                                                          It's enough to
                                                          conclusively
                                                          say this is
                                                          already an
                                                          issue, and we
                                                          can thank
                                                          abuse for
                                                          this.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In this Reddit post, a user learns the hard truth about
                                                          his brand new
                                                          XYZ domain:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This article discusses Facebook's block of all XYZ
                                                          domains:<br>
>>>> <a
href="http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This Malwarebytes staff member explains to a legitimate
                                                          registrant
                                                          that all
                                                          .SCIENCE TLDs
                                                          are blocked
                                                          and he gets no
                                                          exception:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In fact, the Malwarebytes "false positive" forum is
                                                          littered with
                                                          owners of
                                                          hacked domains
                                                          that
                                                          discovered
                                                          their problem
                                                          because of a
                                                          block, not
                                                          because of a
                                                          notification:<br>
>>>> <a
                                                          href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This user asks for an 'Existing list of garbage "new"
                                                          TLDs' to block<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are 179 Google search results for people asking
                                                          Microsoft's
                                                          help service
                                                          for ways to
                                                          block entire
                                                          TLDs:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are 72,500 Google search results for "how to
                                                          block" "tld":<br>
>>>> <a
                                                          href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The Internet is effectively "broken" for any legitimate
                                                          registrants on
                                                          these TLDs.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As a seller of some of those same TLDs, should you be
                                                          concerned if
                                                          your customers
                                                          purchase
                                                          domains
                                                          rendered
                                                          useless due to
                                                          blocking?<br>
>>>> Would you actually refund a customer if they told you
                                                          they couldn't
                                                          use the domain
                                                          for e-mail due
                                                          to the TLD?<br>
>>>> Would you warn your prospective .XYZ, .STUDY, .PRESS,
                                                          .PARTY, etc,
                                                          customers that
                                                          they should
                                                          not use the
                                                          domains for
                                                          e-mail?<br>
>>>> When ICANN releases new gTLDs in the future, do you
                                                          think that
                                                          those domains
                                                          will ever be
                                                          able to send
                                                          e-mail?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Truly, the rest of the world will be fine. The more
                                                          that ICANN has
                                                          the "not my
                                                          problem"
                                                          attitude, the
                                                          more the rest
                                                          of the world
                                                          is going to
                                                          push back.
                                                          ICANN seems to
                                                          have lost the
                                                          ability to
                                                          release new
                                                          gTLDs without
                                                          severe
                                                          connectivity
                                                          issues, so we
                                                          also need to
                                                          ask the
                                                          question: "why
                                                          are these guys
                                                          selling the
                                                          digital
                                                          equivalent of
                                                          the scarlet
                                                          letter and not
                                                          warning their
                                                          customers
                                                          beforehand?"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I think the question of selling defective products is
                                                          one that needs
                                                          to be
                                                          addressed more
                                                          seriously by
                                                          regulators and
                                                          outside
                                                          parties.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I can also tell you that security vendors are already
                                                          looking into
                                                          other
                                                          anti-abuse
                                                          techniques for
                                                          domains
                                                          post-WHOIS,
                                                          and I can also
                                                          tell you that
                                                          they will
                                                          result in an
                                                          increase in
                                                          the percentage
                                                          of legitimate
                                                          domains that
                                                          are blocked.
                                                          This is your
                                                          problem now.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Andrew,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> re:hotbed I was rather intending to ask whether there
                                                          is a direct
                                                          correllation
                                                          between TLDs
                                                          with redacted
                                                          whois and
                                                          issues that go
                                                          unresolved. So
                                                          do you have
                                                          more
                                                          unresolved
                                                          issues in .<a
href="http://co.uk" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">co.uk</a>
                                                          than in .com
                                                          (if numbers
                                                          are normalized
                                                          for registered
                                                          domain names).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I am sure no one would consider blocking the entire
                                                          mail traffic
                                                          originating
                                                          from the
                                                          United Kingdom
                                                          Top Level
                                                          Domain just
                                                          because you
                                                          cannot resolve
                                                          some issues in
                                                          a few domains,
                                                          correct?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So if everyone followed their (or a similar) model, the
                                                          internet would
                                                          not break.
                                                          Some issues
                                                          would get
                                                          harder to
                                                          solve (or take
                                                          longer). I am
                                                          asking because
                                                          that is what
                                                          most likely
                                                          will happen on
                                                          May 25 or
                                                          sooner.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Volker<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 28.11.2017 um 18:27 schrieb Andrew Sullivan:<br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:31:56PM +0100, Volker
                                                          Greimann
                                                          wrote:<br>
>>>> case of internet operability issues. While I appreciate
                                                          that there can
                                                          be<br>
>>>> issues that would necessitate the ability to quickly
                                                          contact
                                                          whoever can
                                                          fix<br>
>>>> the issue, I wonder how this problem is solved in TLDs
                                                          where whois is<br>
>>>> already redacted.<br>
>>>> It's not.  In that case, if I am the one who has this
                                                          experience and
                                                          I<br>
>>>> can't reach the target, then the problem goes
                                                          unresolved. 
                                                          In mail<br>
>>>> cases, as John suggests elsewhere in this thread, the
                                                          answer is very<br>
>>>> likely that mail is blocked.  People seem surprised
                                                          these days
                                                          that<br>
>>>> mail is so fragile, but this sort of thing is part of
                                                          the reason.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So how does it work there? Are these TLDs hotbeds of
                                                          DNS issues and<br>
>>>> unresolved problems?<br>
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "hotbed", or whether that
                                                          is intended to<br>
>>>> be dismissive.  Some TLDs defintely have more DNS
                                                          problems than<br>
>>>> others.  Given how hard the DNS works to make
                                                          connections
                                                          happen even<br>
>>>> when things are badly misconfigured, lots of stuff will
                                                          work to some<br>
>>>> extent even when it is badly configured.  But DNS
                                                          operations
                                                          people<br>
>>>> trade stories about problems amongst themselves, after
                                                          giving up on<br>
>>>> sites because whois can't help and the mname in the SOA
                                                          record is<br>
>>>> broken.  I find this happens more often than you might
                                                          expect.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But yes, there are broken domains on the Internet.  I
                                                          find it hard
                                                          to<br>
>>>> believe that would be even slightly remarkable.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur
                                                          Verfügung.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br>
>>>> - Rechtsabteilung -<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
>>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
>>>> Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><br>
>>>> Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><br>
>>>> Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a
                                                          href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a
                                                          href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan
                                                          bei Facebook:<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<br>
>>>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken<br>
>>>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für
                                                          den
                                                          angegebenen
                                                          Empfänger
                                                          bestimmt. Jede
                                                          Form der
                                                          Kenntnisgabe,
Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist
                                                          unzulässig.
                                                          Sollte diese
                                                          Nachricht
                                                          nicht für Sie
                                                          bestimmt sein,
                                                          so bitten wir
                                                          Sie, sich mit
                                                          uns per E-Mail
                                                          oder
                                                          telefonisch in
                                                          Verbindung zu
                                                          setzen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --------------------------------------------<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Should you have any further questions, please do not
                                                          hesitate to
                                                          contact us.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br>
>>>> - legal department -<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
>>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
>>>> Tel.: <a
                                                          href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><br>
>>>> Fax.: <a
                                                          href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><br>
>>>> Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a
                                                          href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a
                                                          href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on
                                                          Facebook and
                                                          stay updated:<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
>>>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken<br>
>>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
>>>> <a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for
                                                          the person to
                                                          whom it is
                                                          addressed.
                                                          Furthermore it
                                                          is not
                                                          permitted to
                                                          publish any
                                                          content of
                                                          this email.
                                                          You must not
                                                          use, disclose,
                                                          copy, print or
                                                          rely on this
                                                          e-mail. If an
                                                          addressing or
                                                          transmission
                                                          error has
                                                          misdirected
                                                          this e-mail,
                                                          kindly notify
                                                          the author by
                                                          replying to
                                                          this e-mail or
                                                          contacting us
                                                          by telephone.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> _________________________________<br>
>>>> Note to self: Pillage BEFORE burning.<br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
>>>> <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          Kris Seeburn<br>
                                                          >>> <a
href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a><br>
                                                          >>> 
                                                             • <a
                                                          href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/</a><br>
                                                          >>><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
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                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          ______________________________<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          _________________<br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          >>> <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                          target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >>
                                                          ______________________________<br>
                                                          <span
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_________________</span><br>
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gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list</span><br>
                                                          <span
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                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
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                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
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_______________________________________________</span><br>
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gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list</span><br>
                                                          <span
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                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
                                                          <span
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                                                          <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></span><br>
                                                          <span
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                                                          --</span><br>
                                                          <span
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_________________________________</span><br>
                                                          <span
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                                                          Note to self:
                                                          Pillage BEFORE
                                                          burning.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br>
                                                          >
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          > <a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                          > <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </blockquote>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                        <br clear="all">
                                                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">--
                                                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">_________________________________<br>
                                                          Note to self:
                                                          Pillage BEFORE
                                                          burning.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                    <pre>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                    <pre><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                    <pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre>This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                                  <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                              gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing
                                              list<br>
                                              <a
                                                href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                              <a
                                                href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                          <br clear="all">
                                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">_________________________________<br>
                                            Note to self: Pillage BEFORE
                                            burning.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                        </div>
                                      </div>
                                    </blockquote>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre>This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                    <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                              </div>
                            </blockquote>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                            <br clear="all">
                            <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">_________________________________<br>
                              Note to self: Pillage BEFORE burning.<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </blockquote>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                        <br>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre>This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                      <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </blockquote>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
              <br clear="all">
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">_________________________________<br>
                Note to self: Pillage BEFORE burning.<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>--------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
        <pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
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Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

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