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<p>My last message was sent before I saw yours, so apologies for
that.</p>
<p>Thanks for leading us back to the path and apologies for straying
in the first place. <br>
</p>
<p>I do hope we will be able to move past the mistrust and
accusations of ill intent. This is not how ICANN policy work can
work. I hope we can instead focus on creating a model of an RDS
that stays within legal requirements but still does not break the
internet.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.11.2017 um 17:33 schrieb Chuck:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I agree that
it is time to get back to Whois (RDS). In my opinion, the
discussion on this thread the last few days has not been
without value because it has clarified what I think are
legitimate issues and possible consequences of decisions the
WG will make. It also has demonstrated a large degree of
mistrust; recognizing that also can have some value in our
work but there is no need to belabor it further. Instead
let’s focus on our tasks at hand, which currently are to
agree on legitimate purposes for collecting RDS data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="color:windowtext"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 30, 2017 7:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> allison nixon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"><elsakoo@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contactability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hi Allison,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I'd be happy to discuss our abuse handling procedures
(off-list), but suffice it to say that any complaint must be
accompanied by appropriate evidence that will allow us to make
a determination. When someone engaged in fighting abuse is
unwilling to provide the necessary data elements that will
allow us to make that determination, that is suspicious to say
the least. When you request cooperation, you must be willing
to do the same. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Again, we cannot simply willy-nilly take action on someones'
say-so. We need evidence that will allow us to defend our
decision to take action if we are challenged on that call. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We have seen complaints where:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>a) the complaint is based solely on the mention of a domain
in the "From" field<br>
b) the domain name sending the spam message is not registered
through us, but the domain name used as a name-server for that
domain is <br>
c) it clearly is an issue of a hacked CMS<br>
d) the recipient had previously opted in to receive such
messages and the alleged spammer was able to demonstrate that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>and many other examples, all from well-known spam fighters or
through their reporting engines. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>If you do not trust us with the data we need to make a
determination, we will not get this issue resolved.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Now, back to whois!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 30.11.2017 um 15:48 schrieb allison
nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See this is another example of the
attitude I'm describing. If you're going to hold the
requirement for evidence so high that you're requesting
details that they are not willing to hand over (probably
the identities of their email addresses that received
the spam, or something like that, right? Or a large
volume of evidence that would tie up their time
procuring?), then you aren't going to get what you want.
Your company is just another registrar in a vast ocean
of registrars that get complaints, and none of us have
time to spend on any of them. Registrars are not trusted
by default, either. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can classify that as blackhat
behavior if you want, but where is the extortion? They
seem to be only requesting that you reduce the volume of
lawbreaking customers that pay you money for the
opportunity. Find me a judge that won't sympathize with
that. The spammers haven't been able to, in all their
lawsuits filed against spamhaus.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is also the credibility issue.
From the perspective of a network operator, when they
see a conflict between spamhaus saying something is
spam, and a registrar saying they wont do anything about
it because the spam email doesnt literally pass through
their nameservers(of course it wouldn't), spamhaus has
far more credibility than anything your company says.
You've already lost in the court of public opinion,
which is the only one that matters in this situation.
Your domains won't get unblocked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can complain about blackhat
activity till the cows come home but you won't find a
judge in the civilized world that will side with you.
And if whois goes away, you may find that spamhaus's
opinions of your domains are going to affect you even
more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Further verbal assaults against
spamhaus only make your company look like a spam
friendly organization in the eyes of network operators.
It won't get you unblocked and will probably only make
the situation worse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:39 AM,
Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I can just re-iterate that any responsible
registrar will take action when provided with
actionable evidence of abuse by their customers.
Reports by black-hats like Spamhouse that usually
only make unsubstantiated claims and refuse to
provide actual evidence and instead rely on threats
like the ones you are making do not deserve the same
consideration. We will take any of their reports and
if they can be independently verified, we will take
action, but we cannot take their word as gospel.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>The usual communication with them goes something
like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Them: "This domain is bad and you should feel bad
for having registered it."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Us: "Well, we cannot check that ourselves since the
abuse does not pass our servers! Can you provide
evidence?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Them: "Here is the link to the evidence!"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Us: "That is not evidence, those are claims. Can
you show us these claims are true?"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Them: "We do not share our methodologies."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Us: "As we cannot confirm the complaint and have
seen no evidence that we can verify, so I am afraid
we cannot help you until you do give us something
more substantial"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Them: "If you do not immediately take action, we
will: (1) Lie to ICANN about you not responding to
abuse complaints; (2) blacklist your all services
even though they were not involved in the alleged
abuse."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That, to me, is a black hat. They
may mean well, but it makes them unreliable as a
source. We need evidence of abuse to take action,
not claims and of you cannot provide such evidence,
then you have no business in fighting abuse. <br>
<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<span
class="m-9220732214027584385m7168477860784410894hoenzb">Volker</span></span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.11.2017 um 18:39
schrieb allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is the exact
attitude I'm referring to. Not specifically
only from Volker, but also from other
people. This is why Internet users will
increasingly turn their backs on ICANN's
DNS. Unless the ICANN community steps
outside of their bubble and actually
recognizes the problems the average Internet
user faces. ICANN may have a monopoly on
domain names, but it's not immune to
consequences caused by bad caretaking. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">And wholly invalidating
the opinions of a blacklist provider that
enjoys the largest support base (AFAIK) of
average Internet users is a perfect
example of this. It is to ignore evidence
of a serious defect in your(the collective
you) own product, when people are actively
trying to notify you of such. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at
12:21 PM, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we are
moving away from the topic, but
suffice it to say that I do not
consider their publications evidence.
"Domains seen" indeed... Ignoring them
is the better options unless they
develop better methodologies _and_
start sharing them for peer
examination.<span
style="color:#888888"><br>
<br>
<span
class="m-9220732214027584385m7168477860784410894m-3258645503691039737hoenzb">Volker</span></span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 29.11.2017
um 18:03 schrieb allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Spamhaus's
list IS "actual evidence" <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">They are
based on domains they have
seen, which are e-mails sent
using domains from that
registrar. Most of the hate
out there against Spamhaus
comes from spammers but they
are AFAIK the largest
provider of blocklists out
there. That only happens
because their customers see
the results they want.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Love them
or hate them, you can't
ignore them. If Spamhaus
listed an IP range, that
range would suffer severe
connectivity issues across
the entire Internet. When it
comes to interoperability,
Spamhaus's lists effectively
matter more than ICANN's
accreditation. The Internet
is relying more and more
heavily on these services
because ICANN has failed to
keep its product clean.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed,
Nov 29, 2017 at 11:51 AM,
Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Interesting statistic,
but as it is coming from
Spamhaus, I'll take it
with a grain of salt,
especially if the
"Domains seen" number
does not match the
number of domains a
registrar actually has
under management. I am
not disputing that some
of these registrars may
be problematic, but will
reserve judgment until I
see some actual
evidence. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="color:#888888">Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am
29.11.2017 um
17:23 schrieb
allison nixon:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">Hi
Bastiaan, <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">>>A
question
though. I
understand how
’TLD blocking’
would work as
an effective
albeit sledge
hammer way of
mitigating
certain forms
of spam. And I
get the
concept of
blocking all
traffic coming
from
particular
hosting-providers,
ignoring cases
where spoofing
of prefixes is
involved. But
what exactly
is ‘registrar
level
blocking’?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">>>The
example you
refer to is
(also) a
hosting/cloud-provider
- but if that
were not the
case, what can
‘blocked’
purely looking
at the
registrar
service
provided?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">"registrar
level
blocking"
isn't a
feature that's
available to
most e-mail
inbox owners
because it is
a lot more
complicated
than writing a
wildcard for
example *.xyz
for an entire
TLD. It would
probably
require a
multi step
process of
WHOIS querying
the domain
-> parse
for registrar
-> check
block lists.
I'm unsure how
the large
operators do
it exactly.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">But
if you look at
this page:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">you
can see a list
of which
registrars
feature most
prominently in
spam.
Registrars
that get to
the point have
a business
model where
they profit
from these
types of
customers.
Alpnames in
particular was
in the news
because leaked
communications
revealed they
were aware of
the spamming
and offered to
not suspend
the domains
for abuse. A
bulletproof
registrar, if
you will.
Despite this
incident, and
despite being
on the
Spamhaus list
of "worst
registrars"
months later,
they are still
an actual
registrar
accredited by
ICANN. An
equally valid
participant in
the DNS as any
of you here.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">And
that is barely
scratching the
surface.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">So
you can also
see how the
desire to
block an
entire
registrar's
customerbase
is directly
linked to
ICANN's
failure to
decertify the
registrar. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">Compare
this "not my
problem"
attitude to
the attitude
that the
Google Chrome
team has
towards its
list of
trusted
certificate
providers.
They have no
qualms about
giving the
death penalty
to abusers.
Google is also
requiring
companies to
produce
"certificate
transparency"
logs, a real
time feed of
all the certs
they sign, and
who they are
for. Instead
of wringing
their hands
about privacy
solely on the
website
owner's side,
they
understand
that these are
tools
massively used
for abuse and
actually take
into account
the rights of
people being
abused by
these tools.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">As
a result of
these
differing
attitudes, the
Chrome browser
enjoys a lot
of public
trust, with
almost no
demand for
custom trust
lists, and
ICANN's naming
system loses
legitimacy
every day as
the collective
masses of the
Internet
increasingly
turn their
backs on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal">On
Wed, Nov 29,
2017 at 2:36
AM, Bastiaan
Goslings <<a
href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a>>
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class="MsoNormal">Thanks,
Allison:<br>
<br>
> On 28 Nov
2017, at
22:30, allison
nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I do not
believe it is
off topic to
consider the
downstream
implications
of the actions
we take. It is
of critical
importance!<br>
><br>
> When the
WHOIS for
.amsterdam and
.frl became
largely
obfuscated, I
was not
worried much
about it,
because the
extremely high
cost of those
domains
precluded
abuse from
them in the
first place.
For that
reason,
nothing
happened.<br>
><br>
> In the
defender
world, if we
lose WHOIS as
a reputation
factor, other
reputation
factors become
much more
prominent. TLD
blocking is
very easy with
the tools we
already have,
but with the
loss of WHOIS
we are going
to see a
strong upsurge
in the demand
for registrar
level
blocking. So,
say Alpnames
is spamming a
lot of people,
and as an
owner of an
e-mail inbox,
I don't want
to get any
more e-mails
from Alpnames
customers.
Multiple of my
colleagues at
large networks
have revealed
to me that in
the past, they
have done a
registrar
level block,
and the
economic
pressure on
the registrars
caused them to
clean up their
act with an
impressive
amount of
motivation.
It's something
that most
tools don't
currently
support, but
likely will in
the future.<br>
><br>
> If the
registrars
will be the
only people
who have any
clue who their
customers are,
I think we
will see a
strong shift
towards
forcing those
registrars to
take more
responsibility
for their
pollution.
This is
something I am
seeing
increasingly
advocated in
defender
circles, so
outsiders are
likely going
to see the
results of
this in
upcoming
years.<br>
><br>
> With the
direction I
see things
going, I
believe that
anti-abuse
will involve
imposing
economic
pressure on
registrars.
It's not
unlike how
notorious
hosting
providers have
been de-peered
in the past
due to abuse,
and there is a
lot of legal
precedent to
support the
legitimacy of
this strategy.<br>
><br>
> Also,
many of us
outside the
ICANN
community
don't see the
death of the
new TLDs as a
bad thing.
More people
are interested
in blocking
them than
supporting
them.
Companies are
also realizing
that it isn't
a good idea to
run their
businesses on
new TLDs.
Some of us
will cheer
when they
finally go
away.<br>
<br>
<br>
Without any
specific
knowledge of
the industry,
your line of
reasoning
makes sense to
me, i.e. ‘If
the registrars
will be the
only people
who have any
clue who their
customers are,
I think we
will see a
strong shift
towards
forcing those
registrars to
take more
responsibility’
as well as the
‘anti-abuse
will involve
imposing
economic
pressure on
registrars’.<br>
<br>
(Fyi I will
not comment on
the ’their
pollution’)<br>
<br>
A question
though. I
understand how
’TLD blocking’
would work as
an effective
albeit sledge
hammer way of
mitigating
certain forms
of spam. And I
get the
concept of
blocking all
traffic coming
from
particular
hosting-providers,
ignoring cases
where spoofing
of prefixes is
involved. But
what exactly
is ‘registrar
level
blocking’?<br>
<br>
The example
you refer to
is (also) a
hosting/cloud-provider
- but if that
were not the
case, what can
‘blocked’
purely looking
at the
registrar
service
provided?<br>
<br>
-Bastiaan<o:p></o:p></p>
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><br>
><br>
> On Tue,
Nov 28, 2017
at 3:11 PM,
theo geurts
<<a
href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
> Agreed
Kris,<br>
><br>
> Thanks,
Allison,
though this
is, I guess,
the cold hard
truth, selling
domains dirt
cheap or
giving them
away is a sure
method to
poison a TLD,
I think it is
a separate
issue when
discussing
RDS.<br>
><br>
> And the
examples are
clear, and at
a point, such
TLD operators
need to
re-think their
business model
and act
accordingly to
keep their TLD
alive.<br>
><br>
> So in May
2018, we will
see a lot of
use of the
privacy
services due
to the GDPR, I
guess mostly
at a Registrar
level, but
let's not rule
out that it
might be on a
Registry
level, the
dynamics here
are shifting
day by day.<br>
> So my
question here,
and I hope we
can discuss
this in good
faith, but it
seems to me
that the WHOIS
will be an
irrelevant
factor when it
comes to the
risk/reputation
score?<br>
> How
does/will that
play out?<br>
> And yes,
this is not
exactly
related to our
work when it
comes to RDS,
but since we
have the
expertise
here, I think
it would be
useful to
explore this a
little more
even though
off topic. I
hope the
leadership
team allows
this to get a
better
understanding,
for the
community on
what is going
down and might
happen in a
just a few
months here.<br>
> And if we
need to do
this offlist,
sure, no
problem. I am
just trying to
get a sense to
here to comply
with the law
and keep a
business
running.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
> Theo<br>
><br>
><br>
> On
28-11-2017
20:57, John
Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg
wrote:<br>
>> Full
agreement on
this point<br>
>><br>
>> On
11/28/2017
01:30 PM, Kris
Seeburn wrote:<br>
>>>
As we move on
…one way or
the other the
GDPR and other
aligned
privacy laws
will catch up
eventually. We
will need to
find levels
and technical
ways and
reasons to get
things to
work. We move
to RDAPis fine
as we look
ahead but we
should be able
to not only
look at the
laws that we
need to
respect but
also to find
technical ways
to get and
make sure
things still
continue
towork. As
this stage
personally
both are as
important.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On Nov 28, 2017, at 23:15, allison nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Most systems operators are not afraid to block entire
TLDs. While
there are no
scientific
studies out on
this matter
AFAIK, the
help forums
are littered
with people
asking how to
block entire
TLDs, and also
registrants on
those TLDs
asking why
everyone is
blocking them.
It's enough to
conclusively
say this is
already an
issue, and we
can thank
abuse for
this.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In this Reddit post, a user learns the hard truth about
his brand new
XYZ domain:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This article discusses Facebook's block of all XYZ
domains:<br>
>>>> <a
href="http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This Malwarebytes staff member explains to a legitimate
registrant
that all
.SCIENCE TLDs
are blocked
and he gets no
exception:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In fact, the Malwarebytes "false positive" forum is
littered with
owners of
hacked domains
that
discovered
their problem
because of a
block, not
because of a
notification:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This user asks for an 'Existing list of garbage "new"
TLDs' to block<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are 179 Google search results for people asking
Microsoft's
help service
for ways to
block entire
TLDs:<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There are 72,500 Google search results for "how to
block" "tld":<br>
>>>> <a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The Internet is effectively "broken" for any legitimate
registrants on
these TLDs.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As a seller of some of those same TLDs, should you be
concerned if
your customers
purchase
domains
rendered
useless due to
blocking?<br>
>>>> Would you actually refund a customer if they told you
they couldn't
use the domain
for e-mail due
to the TLD?<br>
>>>> Would you warn your prospective .XYZ, .STUDY, .PRESS,
.PARTY, etc,
customers that
they should
not use the
domains for
e-mail?<br>
>>>> When ICANN releases new gTLDs in the future, do you
think that
those domains
will ever be
able to send
e-mail?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Truly, the rest of the world will be fine. The more
that ICANN has
the "not my
problem"
attitude, the
more the rest
of the world
is going to
push back.
ICANN seems to
have lost the
ability to
release new
gTLDs without
severe
connectivity
issues, so we
also need to
ask the
question: "why
are these guys
selling the
digital
equivalent of
the scarlet
letter and not
warning their
customers
beforehand?"<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I think the question of selling defective products is
one that needs
to be
addressed more
seriously by
regulators and
outside
parties.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I can also tell you that security vendors are already
looking into
other
anti-abuse
techniques for
domains
post-WHOIS,
and I can also
tell you that
they will
result in an
increase in
the percentage
of legitimate
domains that
are blocked.
This is your
problem now.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>> Hi Andrew,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> re:hotbed I was rather intending to ask whether there
is a direct
correllation
between TLDs
with redacted
whois and
issues that go
unresolved. So
do you have
more
unresolved
issues in .<a
href="http://co.uk" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">co.uk</a>
than in .com
(if numbers
are normalized
for registered
domain names).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I am sure no one would consider blocking the entire
mail traffic
originating
from the
United Kingdom
Top Level
Domain just
because you
cannot resolve
some issues in
a few domains,
correct?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So if everyone followed their (or a similar) model, the
internet would
not break.
Some issues
would get
harder to
solve (or take
longer). I am
asking because
that is what
most likely
will happen on
May 25 or
sooner.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Volker<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Am 28.11.2017 um 18:27 schrieb Andrew Sullivan:<br>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:31:56PM +0100, Volker
Greimann
wrote:<br>
>>>> case of internet operability issues. While I appreciate
that there can
be<br>
>>>> issues that would necessitate the ability to quickly
contact
whoever can
fix<br>
>>>> the issue, I wonder how this problem is solved in TLDs
where whois is<br>
>>>> already redacted.<br>
>>>> It's not. In that case, if I am the one who has this
experience and
I<br>
>>>> can't reach the target, then the problem goes
unresolved.
In mail<br>
>>>> cases, as John suggests elsewhere in this thread, the
answer is very<br>
>>>> likely that mail is blocked. People seem surprised
these days
that<br>
>>>> mail is so fragile, but this sort of thing is part of
the reason.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> So how does it work there? Are these TLDs hotbeds of
DNS issues and<br>
>>>> unresolved problems?<br>
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "hotbed", or whether that
is intended to<br>
>>>> be dismissive. Some TLDs defintely have more DNS
problems than<br>
>>>> others. Given how hard the DNS works to make
connections
happen even<br>
>>>> when things are badly misconfigured, lots of stuff will
work to some<br>
>>>> extent even when it is badly configured. But DNS
operations
people<br>
>>>> trade stories about problems amongst themselves, after
giving up on<br>
>>>> sites because whois can't help and the mname in the SOA
record is<br>
>>>> broken. I find this happens more often than you might
expect.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But yes, there are broken domains on the Internet. I
find it hard
to<br>
>>>> believe that would be even slightly remarkable.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> A<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --<br>
>>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur
Verfügung.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
>>>><br>
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>>>><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
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>>>><br>
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<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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</blockquote>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- Rechtsabteilung -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>- legal department -<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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