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    <p>I was merely giving my impression of their methods as based on
      past experiences and compared to other such service providers who
      are much easier to work with. <br>
    </p>
    <p>And please enlighten me where I was sexist?</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 30.11.2017 um 14:45 schrieb John
      Bambenek:<br>
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      cite="mid:6A530413-298B-4F33-B487-D8B43DDBCA06@bambenekconsulting.com">
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      That is GROSSLY out of line. “Blackhats like Spamhaus” is all but
      stating they are a criminal outfit. It is a clear attempt to be
      defamatory and is designed to disparage not only them, but the
      anti-abuse industry in general and those on this list that do this
      work, including the person her from Spamhaus. 
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      <div>I also find this email little more than an attempt by you to
        bully a woman who disagrees and its quite frankly sexist.<br>
        <br>
        <div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div>
        <div><br>
          On Nov 30, 2017, at 03:39, Volker Greimann <<a
            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <p>I can just re-iterate that any responsible registrar will
              take action when provided with actionable evidence of
              abuse by their customers. Reports by black-hats like
              Spamhouse that usually only make unsubstantiated claims
              and refuse to provide actual evidence and instead rely on
              threats like the ones you are making do not deserve the
              same consideration. We will take any of their reports and
              if they can be independently verified, we will take
              action, but we cannot take their word as gospel.</p>
            <p>The usual communication with them goes something like
              this:</p>
            <p>Them: "This domain is bad and you should feel bad for
              having registered it."</p>
            <p>Us: "Well, we cannot check that ourselves since the abuse
              does not pass our servers! Can you provide evidence?"</p>
            <p>Them: "Here is the link to the evidence!"</p>
            <p>Us: "That is not evidence, those are claims.  Can you
              show us these claims are true?"</p>
            <p>Them: "We do not share our methodologies."</p>
            <p>Us: "As we cannot confirm the complaint and have seen no
              evidence that we can verify, so I am afraid we cannot help
              you until you do give us something more substantial"</p>
            <p>Them: "If you do not immediately take action, we will:
              (1) Lie to ICANN about you not responding to abuse
              complaints; (2) blacklist your all services even though
              they were not involved in the alleged abuse."<br>
            </p>
            That, to me, is a black hat. They may mean well, but it
            makes them unreliable as a source. We need evidence of abuse
            to take action, not claims and of you cannot provide such
            evidence, then you have no business in fighting abuse. <br>
            <br>
            Volker<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.11.2017 um 18:39 schrieb
              allison nixon:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CACLR7wKgrUt9hCnuBmr_wtFVk_zAvJv2sXiDEqVG5yFcbwyvVg@mail.gmail.com">
              <div dir="ltr">This is the exact attitude I'm referring
                to. Not specifically only from Volker, but also from
                other people. This is why Internet users will
                increasingly turn their backs on ICANN's DNS. Unless the
                ICANN community steps outside of their bubble and
                actually recognizes the problems the average Internet
                user faces. ICANN may have a monopoly on domain names,
                but it's not immune to consequences caused by bad
                caretaking. 
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>And wholly invalidating the opinions of a blacklist
                  provider that enjoys the largest support base (AFAIK)
                  of average Internet users is a perfect example of
                  this. It is to ignore evidence of a serious defect in
                  your(the collective you) own product, when people are
                  actively trying to notify you of such. 
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 12:21
                  PM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
                  <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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                    <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I think we
                      are moving away from the topic, but suffice it to
                      say that I do not consider their publications
                      evidence. "Domains seen" indeed... Ignoring them
                      is the better options unless they develop better
                      methodologies _and_ start sharing them for peer
                      examination.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
                          color="#888888"><br>
                          <br>
                          Volker</font></span>
                      <div>
                        <div class="h5"><br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <div
                            class="m_-6593500956563796352moz-cite-prefix">Am
                            29.11.2017 um 18:03 schrieb allison nixon:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote type="cite">
                            <div dir="ltr">Spamhaus's list IS "actual
                              evidence"
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>They are based on domains they have
                                seen, which are e-mails sent using
                                domains from that registrar. Most of the
                                hate out there against Spamhaus comes
                                from spammers but they are AFAIK the
                                largest provider of blocklists out
                                there. That only happens because their
                                customers see the results they want.<br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Love them or hate them, you can't
                                ignore them. If Spamhaus listed an IP
                                range, that range would suffer severe
                                connectivity issues across the entire
                                Internet. When it comes to
                                interoperability, Spamhaus's lists
                                effectively matter more than ICANN's
                                accreditation. The Internet is relying
                                more and more heavily on these services
                                because ICANN has failed to keep its
                                product clean.</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 29,
                                2017 at 11:51 AM, Volker Greimann <span
                                  dir="ltr"><<a
                                    href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                    <p>Interesting statistic, but as it
                                      is coming from Spamhaus, I'll take
                                      it with a grain of salt,
                                      especially if the "Domains seen"
                                      number does not match the number
                                      of domains a registrar actually
                                      has under management. I am not
                                      disputing that some of these
                                      registrars may be problematic, but
                                      will reserve judgment until I see
                                      some actual evidence. <br>
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                                    <span
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                                        color="#888888">
                                        <p>Volker<br>
                                        </p>
                                      </font></span>
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                                        <div
                                          class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                          29.11.2017 um 17:23 schrieb
                                          allison nixon:<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <blockquote type="cite">
                                          <div dir="ltr">Hi Bastiaan,
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>>>A question
                                              though. I understand how
                                              ’TLD blocking’ would work
                                              as an effective albeit
                                              sledge hammer way of
                                              mitigating certain forms
                                              of spam. And I get the
                                              concept of blocking all
                                              traffic coming from
                                              particular
                                              hosting-providers,
                                              ignoring cases where
                                              spoofing of prefixes is
                                              involved. But what exactly
                                              is ‘registrar level
                                              blocking’?</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>>>The example you
                                              refer to is (also) a
                                              hosting/cloud-provider -
                                              but if that were not the
                                              case, what can ‘blocked’
                                              purely looking at the
                                              registrar service
                                              provided?</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>"registrar level
                                              blocking" isn't a feature
                                              that's available to most
                                              e-mail inbox owners
                                              because it is a lot more
                                              complicated than writing a
                                              wildcard for example *.xyz
                                              for an entire TLD. It
                                              would probably require a
                                              multi step process of
                                              WHOIS querying the domain
                                              -> parse for registrar
                                              -> check block lists.
                                              I'm unsure how the large
                                              operators do it exactly.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>But if you look at this
                                              page:</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><a
                                                href="https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.spamhaus.org/stati<wbr>stics/registrars/</a><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>you can see a list of
                                              which registrars feature
                                              most prominently in spam.
                                              Registrars that get to the
                                              point have a business
                                              model where they profit
                                              from these types of
                                              customers. Alpnames in
                                              particular was in the news
                                              because leaked
                                              communications revealed
                                              they were aware of the
                                              spamming and offered to
                                              not suspend the domains
                                              for abuse. A bulletproof
                                              registrar, if you will.
                                              Despite this incident, and
                                              despite being on the
                                              Spamhaus list of "worst
                                              registrars" months later,
                                              they are still an actual
                                              registrar accredited by
                                              ICANN. An equally valid
                                              participant in the DNS as
                                              any of you here.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>And that is barely
                                              scratching the surface.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>So you can also see how
                                              the desire to block an
                                              entire registrar's
                                              customerbase is directly
                                              linked to ICANN's failure
                                              to decertify the
                                              registrar. </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>Compare this "not my
                                              problem" attitude to the
                                              attitude that the Google
                                              Chrome team has towards
                                              its list of trusted
                                              certificate providers.
                                              They have no qualms about
                                              giving the death penalty
                                              to abusers. Google is also
                                              requiring companies to
                                              produce "certificate
                                              transparency" logs, a real
                                              time feed of all the certs
                                              they sign, and who they
                                              are for. Instead of
                                              wringing their hands about
                                              privacy solely on the
                                              website owner's side, they
                                              understand that these are
                                              tools massively used for
                                              abuse and actually take
                                              into account the rights of
                                              people being abused by
                                              these tools.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>As a result of these
                                              differing attitudes, the
                                              Chrome browser enjoys a
                                              lot of public trust, with
                                              almost no demand for
                                              custom trust lists, and
                                              ICANN's naming system
                                              loses legitimacy every day
                                              as the collective masses
                                              of the Internet
                                              increasingly turn their
                                              backs on them.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:36
                                              AM, Bastiaan Goslings <span
                                                dir="ltr"><<a
                                                  href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net"
                                                  target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
                                              <blockquote
                                                class="gmail_quote"
                                                style="margin:0 0 0
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                                                #ccc
                                                solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks,
                                                Allison:<br>
                                                <span><br>
                                                  > On 28 Nov 2017,
                                                  at 22:30, allison
                                                  nixon <<a
                                                    href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > I do not believe
                                                  it is off topic to
                                                  consider the
                                                  downstream
                                                  implications of the
                                                  actions we take. It is
                                                  of critical
                                                  importance!<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > When the WHOIS
                                                  for .amsterdam and
                                                  .frl became largely
                                                  obfuscated, I was not
                                                  worried much about it,
                                                  because the extremely
                                                  high cost of those
                                                  domains precluded
                                                  abuse from them in the
                                                  first place. For that
                                                  reason, nothing
                                                  happened.<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > In the defender
                                                  world, if we lose
                                                  WHOIS as a reputation
                                                  factor, other
                                                  reputation factors
                                                  become much more
                                                  prominent. TLD
                                                  blocking is very easy
                                                  with the tools we
                                                  already have, but with
                                                  the loss of WHOIS we
                                                  are going to see a
                                                  strong upsurge in the
                                                  demand for registrar
                                                  level blocking. So,
                                                  say Alpnames is
                                                  spamming a lot of
                                                  people, and as an
                                                  owner of an e-mail
                                                  inbox, I don't want to
                                                  get any more e-mails
                                                  from Alpnames
                                                  customers. Multiple of
                                                  my colleagues at large
                                                  networks have revealed
                                                  to me that in the
                                                  past, they have done a
                                                  registrar level block,
                                                  and the economic
                                                  pressure on the
                                                  registrars caused them
                                                  to clean up their act
                                                  with an impressive
                                                  amount of motivation.
                                                  It's something that
                                                  most tools don't
                                                  currently support, but
                                                  likely will in the
                                                  future.<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > If the registrars
                                                  will be the only
                                                  people who have any
                                                  clue who their
                                                  customers are, I think
                                                  we will see a strong
                                                  shift towards forcing
                                                  those registrars to
                                                  take more
                                                  responsibility for
                                                  their pollution. This
                                                  is something I am
                                                  seeing increasingly
                                                  advocated in defender
                                                  circles, so outsiders
                                                  are likely going to
                                                  see the results of
                                                  this in upcoming
                                                  years.<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > With the
                                                  direction I see things
                                                  going, I believe that
                                                  anti-abuse will
                                                  involve imposing
                                                  economic pressure on
                                                  registrars. It's not
                                                  unlike how notorious
                                                  hosting providers have
                                                  been de-peered in the
                                                  past due to abuse, and
                                                  there is a lot of
                                                  legal precedent to
                                                  support the legitimacy
                                                  of this strategy.<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > Also, many of us
                                                  outside the ICANN
                                                  community don't see
                                                  the death of the new
                                                  TLDs as a bad thing.
                                                  More people are
                                                  interested in blocking
                                                  them than supporting
                                                  them. Companies are
                                                  also realizing that it
                                                  isn't a good idea to
                                                  run their businesses
                                                  on new TLDs.  Some of
                                                  us will cheer when
                                                  they finally go away.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
                                                </span>Without any
                                                specific knowledge of
                                                the industry, your line
                                                of reasoning makes sense
                                                to me, i.e. ‘If the
                                                registrars will be the
                                                only people who have any
                                                clue who their customers
                                                are, I think we will see
                                                a strong shift towards
                                                forcing those registrars
                                                to take more
                                                responsibility’ as well
                                                as the ‘anti-abuse will
                                                involve imposing
                                                economic pressure on
                                                registrars’.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                (Fyi I will not comment
                                                on the ’their
                                                pollution’)<br>
                                                <br>
                                                A question though. I
                                                understand how ’TLD
                                                blocking’ would work as
                                                an effective albeit
                                                sledge hammer way of
                                                mitigating certain forms
                                                of spam. And I get the
                                                concept of blocking all
                                                traffic coming from
                                                particular
                                                hosting-providers,
                                                ignoring cases where
                                                spoofing of prefixes is
                                                involved. But what
                                                exactly is ‘registrar
                                                level blocking’?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                The example you refer to
                                                is (also) a
                                                hosting/cloud-provider -
                                                but if that were not the
                                                case, what can ‘blocked’
                                                purely looking at the
                                                registrar service
                                                provided?<br>
                                                <br>
                                                -Bastiaan<br>
                                                <div>
                                                  <div
                                                    class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898h5"><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > On Tue, Nov 28,
                                                    2017 at 3:11 PM,
                                                    theo geurts <<a
                                                      href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    > Agreed Kris,<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > Thanks,
                                                    Allison, though this
                                                    is, I guess, the
                                                    cold hard truth,
                                                    selling domains dirt
                                                    cheap or giving them
                                                    away is a sure
                                                    method to poison a
                                                    TLD, I think it is a
                                                    separate issue when
                                                    discussing RDS.<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > And the
                                                    examples are clear,
                                                    and at a point, such
                                                    TLD operators need
                                                    to re-think their
                                                    business model and
                                                    act accordingly to
                                                    keep their TLD
                                                    alive.<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > So in May 2018,
                                                    we will see a lot of
                                                    use of the privacy
                                                    services due to the
                                                    GDPR, I guess mostly
                                                    at a Registrar
                                                    level, but let's not
                                                    rule out that it
                                                    might be on a
                                                    Registry level, the
                                                    dynamics here are
                                                    shifting day by day.<br>
                                                    > So my question
                                                    here, and I hope we
                                                    can discuss this in
                                                    good faith, but it
                                                    seems to me that the
                                                    WHOIS will be an
                                                    irrelevant factor
                                                    when it comes to the
                                                    risk/reputation
                                                    score?<br>
                                                    > How does/will
                                                    that play out?<br>
                                                    > And yes, this
                                                    is not exactly
                                                    related to our work
                                                    when it comes to
                                                    RDS, but since we
                                                    have the expertise
                                                    here, I think it
                                                    would be useful to
                                                    explore this a
                                                    little more even
                                                    though off topic. I
                                                    hope the leadership
                                                    team allows this to
                                                    get a better
                                                    understanding, for
                                                    the community on
                                                    what is going down
                                                    and might happen in
                                                    a just a few months
                                                    here.<br>
                                                    > And if we need
                                                    to do this offlist,
                                                    sure, no problem. I
                                                    am just trying to
                                                    get a sense to here
                                                    to comply with the
                                                    law and keep a
                                                    business running.<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > Thanks<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > Theo<br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    ><br>
                                                    > On 28-11-2017
                                                    20:57, John Bambenek
                                                    via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    >> Full
                                                    agreement on this
                                                    point<br>
                                                    >><br>
                                                    >> On
                                                    11/28/2017 01:30 PM,
                                                    Kris Seeburn wrote:<br>
                                                    >>> As we
                                                    move on …one way or
                                                    the other the GDPR
                                                    and other aligned
                                                    privacy laws will
                                                    catch up eventually.
                                                    We will need to find
                                                    levels and technical
                                                    ways and reasons to
                                                    get things to work.
                                                    We move to RDAPis
                                                    fine as we look
                                                    ahead but we should
                                                    be able to not only
                                                    look at the laws
                                                    that we need to
                                                    respect but also to
                                                    find technical ways
                                                    to get and make sure
                                                    things still
                                                    continue towork. As
                                                    this stage
                                                    personally both are
                                                    as important.<br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>>> On
                                                    Nov 28, 2017, at
                                                    23:15, allison nixon
                                                    <<a
                                                      href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Most systems
                                                    operators are not
                                                    afraid to block
                                                    entire TLDs. While
                                                    there are no
                                                    scientific studies
                                                    out on this matter
                                                    AFAIK, the help
                                                    forums are littered
                                                    with people asking
                                                    how to block entire
                                                    TLDs, and also
                                                    registrants on those
                                                    TLDs asking why
                                                    everyone is blocking
                                                    them. It's enough to
                                                    conclusively say
                                                    this is already an
                                                    issue, and we can
                                                    thank abuse for
                                                    this.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> In
                                                    this Reddit post, a
                                                    user learns the hard
                                                    truth about his
                                                    brand new XYZ
                                                    domain:<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reddit.com/r/webde<wbr>v/comments/6jq6f5/getting_bloc<wbr>ked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_<wbr>domain/</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    This article
                                                    discusses Facebook's
                                                    block of all XYZ
                                                    domains:<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://adamyamada.com/facebook<wbr>-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domain<wbr>s-pages/</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    This Malwarebytes
                                                    staff member
                                                    explains to a
                                                    legitimate
                                                    registrant that all
                                                    .SCIENCE TLDs are
                                                    blocked and he gets
                                                    no exception:<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.co<wbr>m/topic/173535-all-my-science-<wbr>domains-blocked/</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> In
                                                    fact, the
                                                    Malwarebytes "false
                                                    positive" forum is
                                                    littered with owners
                                                    of hacked domains
                                                    that discovered
                                                    their problem
                                                    because of a block,
                                                    not because of a
                                                    notification:<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.co<wbr>m/forum/123-website-blocking/</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    This user asks for
                                                    an 'Existing list of
                                                    garbage "new" TLDs'
                                                    to block<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://vamsoft.com/forum/topi<wbr>c/597/existing-list-of-garbage<wbr>-new-tlds</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    There are 179 Google
                                                    search results for
                                                    people asking
                                                    Microsoft's help
                                                    service for ways to
                                                    block entire TLDs:<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?<wbr>q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answ<wbr>ers.microsoft.com</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    There are 72,500
                                                    Google search
                                                    results for "how to
                                                    block" "tld":<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?<wbr>q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> The
                                                    Internet is
                                                    effectively "broken"
                                                    for any legitimate
                                                    registrants on these
                                                    TLDs.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> As
                                                    a seller of some of
                                                    those same TLDs,
                                                    should you be
                                                    concerned if your
                                                    customers purchase
                                                    domains rendered
                                                    useless due to
                                                    blocking?<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Would you actually
                                                    refund a customer if
                                                    they told you they
                                                    couldn't use the
                                                    domain for e-mail
                                                    due to the TLD?<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Would you warn your
                                                    prospective .XYZ,
                                                    .STUDY, .PRESS,
                                                    .PARTY, etc,
                                                    customers that they
                                                    should not use the
                                                    domains for e-mail?<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    When ICANN releases
                                                    new gTLDs in the
                                                    future, do you think
                                                    that those domains
                                                    will ever be able to
                                                    send e-mail?<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Truly, the rest of
                                                    the world will be
                                                    fine. The more that
                                                    ICANN has the "not
                                                    my problem"
                                                    attitude, the more
                                                    the rest of the
                                                    world is going to
                                                    push back. ICANN
                                                    seems to have lost
                                                    the ability to
                                                    release new gTLDs
                                                    without severe
                                                    connectivity issues,
                                                    so we also need to
                                                    ask the question:
                                                    "why are these guys
                                                    selling the digital
                                                    equivalent of the
                                                    scarlet letter and
                                                    not warning their
                                                    customers
                                                    beforehand?"<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> I
                                                    think the question
                                                    of selling defective
                                                    products is one that
                                                    needs to be
                                                    addressed more
                                                    seriously by
                                                    regulators and
                                                    outside parties.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> I
                                                    can also tell you
                                                    that security
                                                    vendors are already
                                                    looking into other
                                                    anti-abuse
                                                    techniques for
                                                    domains post-WHOIS,
                                                    and I can also tell
                                                    you that they will
                                                    result in an
                                                    increase in the
                                                    percentage of
                                                    legitimate domains
                                                    that are blocked.
                                                    This is your problem
                                                    now.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> On
                                                    Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at
                                                    12:43 PM, Volker
                                                    Greimann <<a
                                                      href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    >>>> Hi
                                                    Andrew,<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    re:hotbed I was
                                                    rather intending to
                                                    ask whether there is
                                                    a direct
                                                    correllation between
                                                    TLDs with redacted
                                                    whois and issues
                                                    that go unresolved.
                                                    So do you have more
                                                    unresolved issues in
                                                    .<a
                                                      href="http://co.uk"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">co.uk</a>
                                                    than in .com (if
                                                    numbers are
                                                    normalized for
                                                    registered domain
                                                    names).<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> I
                                                    am sure no one would
                                                    consider blocking
                                                    the entire mail
                                                    traffic originating
                                                    from the United
                                                    Kingdom Top Level
                                                    Domain just because
                                                    you cannot resolve
                                                    some issues in a few
                                                    domains, correct?<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> So
                                                    if everyone followed
                                                    their (or a similar)
                                                    model, the internet
                                                    would not break.
                                                    Some issues would
                                                    get harder to solve
                                                    (or take longer). I
                                                    am asking because
                                                    that is what most
                                                    likely will happen
                                                    on May 25 or sooner.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Volker<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> Am
                                                    28.11.2017 um 18:27
                                                    schrieb Andrew
                                                    Sullivan:<br>
                                                    >>>> On
                                                    Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at
                                                    04:31:56PM +0100,
                                                    Volker Greimann
                                                    wrote:<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    case of internet
                                                    operability issues.
                                                    While I appreciate
                                                    that there can be<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    issues that would
                                                    necessitate the
                                                    ability to quickly
                                                    contact whoever can
                                                    fix<br>
                                                    >>>> the
                                                    issue, I wonder how
                                                    this problem is
                                                    solved in TLDs where
                                                    whois is<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    already redacted.<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    It's not.  In that
                                                    case, if I am the
                                                    one who has this
                                                    experience and I<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    can't reach the
                                                    target, then the
                                                    problem goes
                                                    unresolved.  In mail<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    cases, as John
                                                    suggests elsewhere
                                                    in this thread, the
                                                    answer is very<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    likely that mail is
                                                    blocked.  People
                                                    seem surprised these
                                                    days that<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    mail is so fragile,
                                                    but this sort of
                                                    thing is part of the
                                                    reason.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> So
                                                    how does it work
                                                    there? Are these
                                                    TLDs hotbeds of DNS
                                                    issues and<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    unresolved problems?<br>
                                                    >>>> I
                                                    don't know what you
                                                    mean by "hotbed", or
                                                    whether that is
                                                    intended to<br>
                                                    >>>> be
                                                    dismissive.  Some
                                                    TLDs defintely have
                                                    more DNS problems
                                                    than<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    others.  Given how
                                                    hard the DNS works
                                                    to make connections
                                                    happen even<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    when things are
                                                    badly misconfigured,
                                                    lots of stuff will
                                                    work to some<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    extent even when it
                                                    is badly
                                                    configured.  But DNS
                                                    operations people<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    trade stories about
                                                    problems amongst
                                                    themselves, after
                                                    giving up on<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    sites because whois
                                                    can't help and the
                                                    mname in the SOA
                                                    record is<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    broken.  I find this
                                                    happens more often
                                                    than you might
                                                    expect.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> But
                                                    yes, there are
                                                    broken domains on
                                                    the Internet.  I
                                                    find it hard to<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    believe that would
                                                    be even slightly
                                                    remarkable.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Best regards,<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> A<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> --<br>
                                                    >>>> Bei
                                                    weiteren Fragen
                                                    stehen wir Ihnen
                                                    gerne zur Verfügung.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> Mit
                                                    freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Volker A. Greimann<br>
                                                    >>>> -
                                                    Rechtsabteilung -<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Key-Systems GmbH<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Tel.: <a
                                                      href="tel:+49%206894%209396901"
value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                      6894 - 9396 901</a><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Fax.: <a
                                                      href="tel:+49%206894%209396851"
value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                      6894 - 9396 851</a><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Email: <a
                                                      href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Web: <a
                                                      href="http://www.key-systems.net"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>
                                                    / <a
                                                      href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a
                                                      href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Folgen Sie uns bei
                                                    Twitter oder werden
                                                    Sie unser Fan bei
                                                    Facebook:<br>
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                                                      target="_blank"
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                                                    >>>> <a
href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Geschäftsführer:
                                                    Alexander Siffrin<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Handelsregister Nr.:
                                                    HR B 18835 -
                                                    Saarbruecken<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Umsatzsteuer ID.:
                                                    DE211006534<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Member of the
                                                    KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
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href="http://www.keydrive.lu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> Der
                                                    Inhalt dieser
                                                    Nachricht ist
                                                    vertraulich und nur
                                                    für den angegebenen
                                                    Empfänger bestimmt.
                                                    Jede Form der
                                                    Kenntnisgabe,
                                                    Veröffentlichung
                                                    oder Weitergabe an
                                                    Dritte durch den
                                                    Empfänger ist
                                                    unzulässig. Sollte
                                                    diese Nachricht
                                                    nicht für Sie
                                                    bestimmt sein, so
                                                    bitten wir Sie, sich
                                                    mit uns per E-Mail
                                                    oder telefonisch in
                                                    Verbindung zu
                                                    setzen.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    ------------------------------<wbr>--------------<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Should you have any
                                                    further questions,
                                                    please do not
                                                    hesitate to contact
                                                    us.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Best regards,<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Volker A. Greimann<br>
                                                    >>>> -
                                                    legal department -<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Key-Systems GmbH<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Tel.: <a
                                                      href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901"
value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                      6894 - 9396 901</a><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Fax.: <a
                                                      href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851"
value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                      6894 - 9396 851</a><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Email: <a
                                                      href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Web: <a
                                                      href="http://www.key-systems.net"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>
                                                    / <a
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                                                      rel="noreferrer"
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href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a
                                                      href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
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                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Follow us on Twitter
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href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    CEO: Alexander
                                                    Siffrin<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Registration No.: HR
                                                    B 18835 -
                                                    Saarbruecken<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    V.A.T. ID.:
                                                    DE211006534<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Member of the
                                                    KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="http://www.keydrive.lu" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    This e-mail and its
                                                    attachments is
                                                    intended only for
                                                    the person to whom
                                                    it is addressed.
                                                    Furthermore it is
                                                    not permitted to
                                                    publish any content
                                                    of this email. You
                                                    must not use,
                                                    disclose, copy,
                                                    print or rely on
                                                    this e-mail. If an
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                                                    transmission error
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                                                    notify the author by
                                                    replying to this
                                                    e-mail or contacting
                                                    us by telephone.<br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                    mailing list<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>><br>
                                                    >>>> --<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    ______________________________<wbr>___<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    Note to self:
                                                    Pillage BEFORE
                                                    burning.<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
                                                    >>>>
                                                    gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                    mailing list<br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                    >>>> <a
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>> Kris
                                                    Seeburn<br>
                                                    >>> <a
                                                      href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a><br>
                                                    >>>     • <a
href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/" rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/</a><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                                >>>
                                                <KeepItOn_Social_animated.gif><br>
                                                >>><br>
                                                >>><br>
                                                >>><br>
                                                >>>
                                                ______________________________<br>
                                                <span>>>>
                                                  _________________<br>
                                                  >>>
                                                  gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                  mailing list<br>
                                                  >>><br>
                                                  >>> <a
                                                    href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                  >>> <a
                                                    href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                  >><br>
                                                  >><br>
                                                  >><br>
                                                </span>>>
                                                ______________________________<br>
                                                <span
                                                  class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898im
m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898HOEnZb">>>
                                                  _________________<br>
                                                  >>
                                                  gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                  mailing list<br>
                                                  >><br>
                                                  >> <a
                                                    href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                  >> <a
                                                    href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  >
                                                  ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
                                                  > gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                  mailing list<br>
                                                  > <a
                                                    href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                  > <a
                                                    href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                    rel="noreferrer"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > --<br>
                                                  >
                                                  ______________________________<wbr>___<br>
                                                  > Note to self:
                                                  Pillage BEFORE
                                                  burning.<br>
                                                </span>
                                                <div
                                                  class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898HOEnZb">
                                                  <div
                                                    class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898h5">>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
                                                    > gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                    mailing list<br>
                                                    > <a
                                                      href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                    > <a
                                                      href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                      rel="noreferrer"
                                                      target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                    <br>
                                                  </div>
                                                </div>
                                              </blockquote>
                                            </div>
                                            <br>
                                            <br clear="all">
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            -- <br>
                                            <div
                                              class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">______________________________<wbr>___<br>
                                              Note to self: Pillage
                                              BEFORE burning.</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <br>
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                                            class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
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                                          <pre>______________________________<wbr>_________________
gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list
<a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></pre>
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                                        <br>
                                        <pre class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

Web: <a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a>
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Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a> 

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

------------------------------<wbr>--------------

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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Email: <a class="m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>

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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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                                  ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
                                  gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
                                  <a
                                    href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
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