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    <p>Seems someone did not get Chucks message...</p>
    <p>But I'll gladly dig up the compliance tickets, if needed!</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.12.2017 um 09:37 schrieb jonathan
      matkowsky:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CALsyHB=GykTJwqCXpzk-5QLxsTi+o2TijV06NMLmTFT7tAmy3Q@mail.gmail.com">
      <div>
        <div>
          <div dir="auto">I am hereby requesting this be investigated by
            the Ombudsman—I don’t believe Spamhaus said they will lie to
            Compliance about whether a registrar has failed to respond
            or investigate based on an abuse report, that’s quite a
            serious accusation, and if not backed up by documentary
            evidence, merits more than just a retraction. This is an
            example of why I stopped investing time in this group. ICANN
            needs to take action if it values the multistakeholder
            process.</div>
          <div dir="auto"><br>
          </div>
          <div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
          <div dir="auto">Jonathan Matkowsky </div>
          <div dir="auto">RiskIQ, Inc.</div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div>On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:39 AM Volker Greimann <<a
                href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                <p>I can just re-iterate that any responsible registrar
                  will take action when provided with actionable
                  evidence of abuse by their customers. Reports by
                  black-hats like Spamhouse that usually only make
                  unsubstantiated claims and refuse to provide actual
                  evidence and instead rely on threats like the ones you
                  are making do not deserve the same consideration. We
                  will take any of their reports and if they can be
                  independently verified, we will take action, but we
                  cannot take their word as gospel.</p>
                <p>The usual communication with them goes something like
                  this:</p>
                <p>Them: "This domain is bad and you should feel bad for
                  having registered it."</p>
                <p>Us: "Well, we cannot check that ourselves since the
                  abuse does not pass our servers! Can you provide
                  evidence?"</p>
                <p>Them: "Here is the link to the evidence!"</p>
                <p>Us: "That is not evidence, those are claims.  Can you
                  show us these claims are true?"</p>
                <p>Them: "We do not share our methodologies."</p>
                <p>Us: "As we cannot confirm the complaint and have seen
                  no evidence that we can verify, so I am afraid we
                  cannot help you until you do give us something more
                  substantial"</p>
                <p>Them: "If you do not immediately take action, we
                  will: (1) Lie to ICANN about you not responding to
                  abuse complaints; (2) blacklist your all services even
                  though they were not involved in the alleged abuse."<br>
                </p>
                That, to me, is a black hat. They may mean well, but it
                makes them unreliable as a source. We need evidence of
                abuse to take action, not claims and of you cannot
                provide such evidence, then you have no business in
                fighting abuse. <br>
              </div>
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
                Volker</div>
              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div class="m_5477689336459103560moz-cite-prefix">Am
                  29.11.2017 um 18:39 schrieb allison nixon:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote type="cite">
                  <div>This is the exact attitude I'm referring to. Not
                    specifically only from Volker, but also from other
                    people. This is why Internet users will increasingly
                    turn their backs on ICANN's DNS. Unless the ICANN
                    community steps outside of their bubble and actually
                    recognizes the problems the average Internet user
                    faces. ICANN may have a monopoly on domain names,
                    but it's not immune to consequences caused by bad
                    caretaking. 
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>And wholly invalidating the opinions of a
                      blacklist provider that enjoys the largest support
                      base (AFAIK) of average Internet users is a
                      perfect example of this. It is to ignore evidence
                      of a serious defect in your(the collective you)
                      own product, when people are actively trying to
                      notify you of such. 
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at
                      12:21 PM, Volker Greimann <span><<a
                          href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I think
                          we are moving away from the topic, but suffice
                          it to say that I do not consider their
                          publications evidence. "Domains seen"
                          indeed... Ignoring them is the better options
                          unless they develop better methodologies _and_
                          start sharing them for peer examination.<span
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                              color="#888888"><br>
                              <br>
                              Volker</font></span>
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                              <br>
                              <div
                                class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                29.11.2017 um 18:03 schrieb allison
                                nixon:<br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote type="cite">
                                <div>Spamhaus's list IS "actual
                                  evidence"
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>They are based on domains they
                                    have seen, which are e-mails sent
                                    using domains from that registrar.
                                    Most of the hate out there against
                                    Spamhaus comes from spammers but
                                    they are AFAIK the largest provider
                                    of blocklists out there. That only
                                    happens because their customers see
                                    the results they want.<br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Love them or hate them, you can't
                                    ignore them. If Spamhaus listed an
                                    IP range, that range would suffer
                                    severe connectivity issues across
                                    the entire Internet. When it comes
                                    to interoperability, Spamhaus's
                                    lists effectively matter more than
                                    ICANN's accreditation. The Internet
                                    is relying more and more heavily on
                                    these services because ICANN has
                                    failed to keep its product clean.</div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                </div>
                                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov
                                    29, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Volker
                                    Greimann <span><<a
                                        href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                        <p>Interesting statistic, but as
                                          it is coming from Spamhaus,
                                          I'll take it with a grain of
                                          salt, especially if the
                                          "Domains seen" number does not
                                          match the number of domains a
                                          registrar actually has under
                                          management. I am not disputing
                                          that some of these registrars
                                          may be problematic, but will
                                          reserve judgment until I see
                                          some actual evidence. <br>
                                          <span
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                                        <span
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                                            <p>Volker<br>
                                            </p>
                                          </font></span>
                                        <div>
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                                            <div
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-cite-prefix">Am
                                              29.11.2017 um 17:23
                                              schrieb allison nixon:<br>
                                            </div>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div>Hi Bastiaan,
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>>>A question
                                                  though. I understand
                                                  how ’TLD blocking’
                                                  would work as an
                                                  effective albeit
                                                  sledge hammer way of
                                                  mitigating certain
                                                  forms of spam. And I
                                                  get the concept of
                                                  blocking all traffic
                                                  coming from particular
                                                  hosting-providers,
                                                  ignoring cases where
                                                  spoofing of prefixes
                                                  is involved. But what
                                                  exactly is ‘registrar
                                                  level blocking’?</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>>>The example
                                                  you refer to is (also)
                                                  a
                                                  hosting/cloud-provider
                                                  - but if that were not
                                                  the case, what can
                                                  ‘blocked’ purely
                                                  looking at the
                                                  registrar service
                                                  provided?</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>"registrar level
                                                  blocking" isn't a
                                                  feature that's
                                                  available to most
                                                  e-mail inbox owners
                                                  because it is a lot
                                                  more complicated than
                                                  writing a wildcard for
                                                  example *.xyz for an
                                                  entire TLD. It would
                                                  probably require a
                                                  multi step process of
                                                  WHOIS querying the
                                                  domain -> parse for
                                                  registrar -> check
                                                  block lists. I'm
                                                  unsure how the large
                                                  operators do it
                                                  exactly.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>But if you look at
                                                  this page:</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><a
                                                    href="https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/registrars/</a><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>you can see a list
                                                  of which registrars
                                                  feature most
                                                  prominently in spam.
                                                  Registrars that get to
                                                  the point have a
                                                  business model where
                                                  they profit from these
                                                  types of customers.
                                                  Alpnames in particular
                                                  was in the news
                                                  because leaked
                                                  communications
                                                  revealed they were
                                                  aware of the spamming
                                                  and offered to not
                                                  suspend the domains
                                                  for abuse. A
                                                  bulletproof registrar,
                                                  if you will. Despite
                                                  this incident, and
                                                  despite being on the
                                                  Spamhaus list of
                                                  "worst registrars"
                                                  months later, they are
                                                  still an actual
                                                  registrar accredited
                                                  by ICANN. An equally
                                                  valid participant in
                                                  the DNS as any of you
                                                  here.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>And that is barely
                                                  scratching the
                                                  surface.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>So you can also see
                                                  how the desire to
                                                  block an entire
                                                  registrar's
                                                  customerbase is
                                                  directly linked to
                                                  ICANN's failure to
                                                  decertify the
                                                  registrar. </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Compare this "not
                                                  my problem" attitude
                                                  to the attitude that
                                                  the Google Chrome team
                                                  has towards its list
                                                  of trusted certificate
                                                  providers. They have
                                                  no qualms about giving
                                                  the death penalty to
                                                  abusers. Google is
                                                  also requiring
                                                  companies to produce
                                                  "certificate
                                                  transparency" logs, a
                                                  real time feed of all
                                                  the certs they sign,
                                                  and who they are for.
                                                  Instead of wringing
                                                  their hands about
                                                  privacy solely on the
                                                  website owner's side,
                                                  they understand that
                                                  these are tools
                                                  massively used for
                                                  abuse and actually
                                                  take into account the
                                                  rights of people being
                                                  abused by these tools.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>As a result of
                                                  these differing
                                                  attitudes, the Chrome
                                                  browser enjoys a lot
                                                  of public trust, with
                                                  almost no demand for
                                                  custom trust lists,
                                                  and ICANN's naming
                                                  system loses
                                                  legitimacy every day
                                                  as the collective
                                                  masses of the Internet
                                                  increasingly turn
                                                  their backs on them.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                                  Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at
                                                  2:36 AM, Bastiaan
                                                  Goslings <span><<a
href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net" target="_blank"
                                                      moz-do-not-send="true">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    class="gmail_quote"
                                                    style="margin:0 0 0
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                                                    solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks,
                                                    Allison:<br>
                                                    <span><br>
                                                      > On 28 Nov
                                                      2017, at 22:30,
                                                      allison nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>>
                                                      wrote:<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > I do not
                                                      believe it is off
                                                      topic to consider
                                                      the downstream
                                                      implications of
                                                      the actions we
                                                      take. It is of
                                                      critical
                                                      importance!<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > When the
                                                      WHOIS for
                                                      .amsterdam and
                                                      .frl became
                                                      largely
                                                      obfuscated, I was
                                                      not worried much
                                                      about it, because
                                                      the extremely high
                                                      cost of those
                                                      domains precluded
                                                      abuse from them in
                                                      the first place.
                                                      For that reason,
                                                      nothing happened.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > In the
                                                      defender world, if
                                                      we lose WHOIS as a
                                                      reputation factor,
                                                      other reputation
                                                      factors become
                                                      much more
                                                      prominent. TLD
                                                      blocking is very
                                                      easy with the
                                                      tools we already
                                                      have, but with the
                                                      loss of WHOIS we
                                                      are going to see a
                                                      strong upsurge in
                                                      the demand for
                                                      registrar level
                                                      blocking. So, say
                                                      Alpnames is
                                                      spamming a lot of
                                                      people, and as an
                                                      owner of an e-mail
                                                      inbox, I don't
                                                      want to get any
                                                      more e-mails from
                                                      Alpnames
                                                      customers.
                                                      Multiple of my
                                                      colleagues at
                                                      large networks
                                                      have revealed to
                                                      me that in the
                                                      past, they have
                                                      done a registrar
                                                      level block, and
                                                      the economic
                                                      pressure on the
                                                      registrars caused
                                                      them to clean up
                                                      their act with an
                                                      impressive amount
                                                      of motivation.
                                                      It's something
                                                      that most tools
                                                      don't currently
                                                      support, but
                                                      likely will in the
                                                      future.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > If the
                                                      registrars will be
                                                      the only people
                                                      who have any clue
                                                      who their
                                                      customers are, I
                                                      think we will see
                                                      a strong shift
                                                      towards forcing
                                                      those registrars
                                                      to take more
                                                      responsibility for
                                                      their pollution.
                                                      This is something
                                                      I am seeing
                                                      increasingly
                                                      advocated in
                                                      defender circles,
                                                      so outsiders are
                                                      likely going to
                                                      see the results of
                                                      this in upcoming
                                                      years.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > With the
                                                      direction I see
                                                      things going, I
                                                      believe that
                                                      anti-abuse will
                                                      involve imposing
                                                      economic pressure
                                                      on registrars.
                                                      It's not unlike
                                                      how notorious
                                                      hosting providers
                                                      have been
                                                      de-peered in the
                                                      past due to abuse,
                                                      and there is a lot
                                                      of legal precedent
                                                      to support the
                                                      legitimacy of this
                                                      strategy.<br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > Also, many of
                                                      us outside the
                                                      ICANN community
                                                      don't see the
                                                      death of the new
                                                      TLDs as a bad
                                                      thing. More people
                                                      are interested in
                                                      blocking them than
                                                      supporting them.
                                                      Companies are also
                                                      realizing that it
                                                      isn't a good idea
                                                      to run their
                                                      businesses on new
                                                      TLDs.  Some of us
                                                      will cheer when
                                                      they finally go
                                                      away.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </span>Without any
                                                    specific knowledge
                                                    of the industry,
                                                    your line of
                                                    reasoning makes
                                                    sense to me, i.e.
                                                    ‘If the registrars
                                                    will be the only
                                                    people who have any
                                                    clue who their
                                                    customers are, I
                                                    think we will see a
                                                    strong shift towards
                                                    forcing those
                                                    registrars to take
                                                    more responsibility’
                                                    as well as the
                                                    ‘anti-abuse will
                                                    involve imposing
                                                    economic pressure on
                                                    registrars’.<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    (Fyi I will not
                                                    comment on the
                                                    ’their pollution’)<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    A question though. I
                                                    understand how ’TLD
                                                    blocking’ would work
                                                    as an effective
                                                    albeit sledge hammer
                                                    way of mitigating
                                                    certain forms of
                                                    spam. And I get the
                                                    concept of blocking
                                                    all traffic coming
                                                    from particular
                                                    hosting-providers,
                                                    ignoring cases where
                                                    spoofing of prefixes
                                                    is involved. But
                                                    what exactly is
                                                    ‘registrar level
                                                    blocking’?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    The example you
                                                    refer to is (also) a
hosting/cloud-provider - but if that were not the case, what can
                                                    ‘blocked’ purely
                                                    looking at the
                                                    registrar service
                                                    provided?<br>
                                                    <br>
                                                    -Bastiaan<br>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898h5"><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > On Tue, Nov
                                                        28, 2017 at 3:11
                                                        PM, theo geurts
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                        > Agreed
                                                        Kris,<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > Thanks,
                                                        Allison, though
                                                        this is, I
                                                        guess, the cold
                                                        hard truth,
                                                        selling domains
                                                        dirt cheap or
                                                        giving them away
                                                        is a sure method
                                                        to poison a TLD,
                                                        I think it is a
                                                        separate issue
                                                        when discussing
                                                        RDS.<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > And the
                                                        examples are
                                                        clear, and at a
                                                        point, such TLD
                                                        operators need
                                                        to re-think
                                                        their business
                                                        model and act
                                                        accordingly to
                                                        keep their TLD
                                                        alive.<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > So in May
                                                        2018, we will
                                                        see a lot of use
                                                        of the privacy
                                                        services due to
                                                        the GDPR, I
                                                        guess mostly at
                                                        a Registrar
                                                        level, but let's
                                                        not rule out
                                                        that it might be
                                                        on a Registry
                                                        level, the
                                                        dynamics here
                                                        are shifting day
                                                        by day.<br>
                                                        > So my
                                                        question here,
                                                        and I hope we
                                                        can discuss this
                                                        in good faith,
                                                        but it seems to
                                                        me that the
                                                        WHOIS will be an
                                                        irrelevant
                                                        factor when it
                                                        comes to the
                                                        risk/reputation
                                                        score?<br>
                                                        > How
                                                        does/will that
                                                        play out?<br>
                                                        > And yes,
                                                        this is not
                                                        exactly related
                                                        to our work when
                                                        it comes to RDS,
                                                        but since we
                                                        have the
                                                        expertise here,
                                                        I think it would
                                                        be useful to
                                                        explore this a
                                                        little more even
                                                        though off
                                                        topic. I hope
                                                        the leadership
                                                        team allows this
                                                        to get a better
                                                        understanding,
                                                        for the
                                                        community on
                                                        what is going
                                                        down and might
                                                        happen in a just
                                                        a few months
                                                        here.<br>
                                                        > And if we
                                                        need to do this
                                                        offlist, sure,
                                                        no problem. I am
                                                        just trying to
                                                        get a sense to
                                                        here to comply
                                                        with the law and
                                                        keep a business
                                                        running.<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > Thanks<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > Theo<br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        ><br>
                                                        > On
                                                        28-11-2017
                                                        20:57, John
                                                        Bambenek via
                                                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        >> Full
                                                        agreement on
                                                        this point<br>
                                                        >><br>
                                                        >> On
                                                        11/28/2017 01:30
                                                        PM, Kris Seeburn
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        >>> As
                                                        we move on …one
                                                        way or the other
                                                        the GDPR and
                                                        other aligned
                                                        privacy laws
                                                        will catch up
                                                        eventually. We
                                                        will need to
                                                        find levels and
                                                        technical ways
                                                        and reasons to
                                                        get things to
                                                        work. We move to
                                                        RDAPis fine as
                                                        we look ahead
                                                        but we should be
                                                        able to not only
                                                        look at the laws
                                                        that we need to
                                                        respect but also
                                                        to find
                                                        technical ways
                                                        to get and make
                                                        sure things
                                                        still continue
                                                        towork. As this
                                                        stage personally
                                                        both are as
                                                        important.<br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        On Nov 28, 2017,
                                                        at 23:15,
                                                        allison nixon
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Most systems
                                                        operators are
                                                        not afraid to
                                                        block entire
                                                        TLDs. While
                                                        there are no
                                                        scientific
                                                        studies out on
                                                        this matter
                                                        AFAIK, the help
                                                        forums are
                                                        littered with
                                                        people asking
                                                        how to block
                                                        entire TLDs, and
                                                        also registrants
                                                        on those TLDs
                                                        asking why
                                                        everyone is
                                                        blocking them.
                                                        It's enough to
                                                        conclusively say
                                                        this is already
                                                        an issue, and we
                                                        can thank abuse
                                                        for this.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        In this Reddit
                                                        post, a user
                                                        learns the hard
                                                        truth about his
                                                        brand new XYZ
                                                        domain:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/6jq6f5/getting_blocked_should_i_abandon_my_xyz_domain/</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        This article
                                                        discusses
                                                        Facebook's block
                                                        of all XYZ
                                                        domains:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://adamyamada.com/facebook-blocks-xyz-domains-new-domains-pages/</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        This
                                                        Malwarebytes
                                                        staff member
                                                        explains to a
                                                        legitimate
                                                        registrant that
                                                        all .SCIENCE
                                                        TLDs are blocked
                                                        and he gets no
                                                        exception:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.com/topic/173535-all-my-science-domains-blocked/</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        In fact, the
                                                        Malwarebytes
                                                        "false positive"
                                                        forum is
                                                        littered with
                                                        owners of hacked
                                                        domains that
                                                        discovered their
                                                        problem because
                                                        of a block, not
                                                        because of a
                                                        notification:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.malwarebytes.com/forum/123-website-blocking/</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        This user asks
                                                        for an 'Existing
                                                        list of garbage
                                                        "new" TLDs' to
                                                        block<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://vamsoft.com/forum/topic/597/existing-list-of-garbage-new-tlds</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        There are 179
                                                        Google search
                                                        results for
                                                        people asking
                                                        Microsoft's help
                                                        service for ways
                                                        to block entire
                                                        TLDs:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+i+block+TLD+site:answers.microsoft.com</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        There are 72,500
                                                        Google search
                                                        results for "how
                                                        to block" "tld":<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.google.com/search?q=%22how+to+block%22+%22tld%22</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        The Internet is
                                                        effectively
                                                        "broken" for any
                                                        legitimate
                                                        registrants on
                                                        these TLDs.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        As a seller of
                                                        some of those
                                                        same TLDs,
                                                        should you be
                                                        concerned if
                                                        your customers
                                                        purchase domains
                                                        rendered useless
                                                        due to blocking?<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Would you
                                                        actually refund
                                                        a customer if
                                                        they told you
                                                        they couldn't
                                                        use the domain
                                                        for e-mail due
                                                        to the TLD?<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Would you warn
                                                        your prospective
                                                        .XYZ, .STUDY,
                                                        .PRESS, .PARTY,
                                                        etc, customers
                                                        that they should
                                                        not use the
                                                        domains for
                                                        e-mail?<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        When ICANN
                                                        releases new
                                                        gTLDs in the
                                                        future, do you
                                                        think that those
                                                        domains will
                                                        ever be able to
                                                        send e-mail?<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Truly, the rest
                                                        of the world
                                                        will be fine.
                                                        The more that
                                                        ICANN has the
                                                        "not my problem"
                                                        attitude, the
                                                        more the rest of
                                                        the world is
                                                        going to push
                                                        back. ICANN
                                                        seems to have
                                                        lost the ability
                                                        to release new
                                                        gTLDs without
                                                        severe
                                                        connectivity
                                                        issues, so we
                                                        also need to ask
                                                        the question:
                                                        "why are these
                                                        guys selling the
                                                        digital
                                                        equivalent of
                                                        the scarlet
                                                        letter and not
                                                        warning their
                                                        customers
                                                        beforehand?"<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        I think the
                                                        question of
                                                        selling
                                                        defective
                                                        products is one
                                                        that needs to be
                                                        addressed more
                                                        seriously by
                                                        regulators and
                                                        outside parties.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        I can also tell
                                                        you that
                                                        security vendors
                                                        are already
                                                        looking into
                                                        other anti-abuse
                                                        techniques for
                                                        domains
                                                        post-WHOIS, and
                                                        I can also tell
                                                        you that they
                                                        will result in
                                                        an increase in
                                                        the percentage
                                                        of legitimate
                                                        domains that are
                                                        blocked. This is
                                                        your problem
                                                        now.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        On Tue, Nov 28,
                                                        2017 at 12:43
                                                        PM, Volker
                                                        Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Hi Andrew,<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        re:hotbed I was
                                                        rather intending
                                                        to ask whether
                                                        there is a
                                                        direct
                                                        correllation
                                                        between TLDs
                                                        with redacted
                                                        whois and issues
                                                        that go
                                                        unresolved. So
                                                        do you have more
                                                        unresolved
                                                        issues in .<a
                                                          href="http://co.uk"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">co.uk</a> than
                                                        in .com (if
                                                        numbers are
                                                        normalized for
                                                        registered
                                                        domain names).<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        I am sure no one
                                                        would consider
                                                        blocking the
                                                        entire mail
                                                        traffic
                                                        originating from
                                                        the United
                                                        Kingdom Top
                                                        Level Domain
                                                        just because you
                                                        cannot resolve
                                                        some issues in a
                                                        few domains,
                                                        correct?<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        So if everyone
                                                        followed their
                                                        (or a similar)
                                                        model, the
                                                        internet would
                                                        not break. Some
                                                        issues would get
                                                        harder to solve
                                                        (or take
                                                        longer). I am
                                                        asking because
                                                        that is what
                                                        most likely will
                                                        happen on May 25
                                                        or sooner.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Volker<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Am 28.11.2017 um
                                                        18:27 schrieb
                                                        Andrew Sullivan:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        On Tue, Nov 28,
                                                        2017 at
                                                        04:31:56PM
                                                        +0100, Volker
                                                        Greimann wrote:<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        case of internet
                                                        operability
                                                        issues. While I
                                                        appreciate that
                                                        there can be<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        issues that
                                                        would
                                                        necessitate the
                                                        ability to
                                                        quickly contact
                                                        whoever can fix<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        the issue, I
                                                        wonder how this
                                                        problem is
                                                        solved in TLDs
                                                        where whois is<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        already
                                                        redacted.<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        It's not.  In
                                                        that case, if I
                                                        am the one who
                                                        has this
                                                        experience and I<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        can't reach the
                                                        target, then the
                                                        problem goes
                                                        unresolved.  In
                                                        mail<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        cases, as John
                                                        suggests
                                                        elsewhere in
                                                        this thread, the
                                                        answer is very<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        likely that mail
                                                        is blocked. 
                                                        People seem
                                                        surprised these
                                                        days that<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        mail is so
                                                        fragile, but
                                                        this sort of
                                                        thing is part of
                                                        the reason.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        So how does it
                                                        work there? Are
                                                        these TLDs
                                                        hotbeds of DNS
                                                        issues and<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        unresolved
                                                        problems?<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        I don't know
                                                        what you mean by
                                                        "hotbed", or
                                                        whether that is
                                                        intended to<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        be dismissive. 
                                                        Some TLDs
                                                        defintely have
                                                        more DNS
                                                        problems than<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        others.  Given
                                                        how hard the DNS
                                                        works to make
                                                        connections
                                                        happen even<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        when things are
                                                        badly
                                                        misconfigured,
                                                        lots of stuff
                                                        will work to
                                                        some<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        extent even when
                                                        it is badly
                                                        configured.  But
                                                        DNS operations
                                                        people<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        trade stories
                                                        about problems
                                                        amongst
                                                        themselves,
                                                        after giving up
                                                        on<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        sites because
                                                        whois can't help
                                                        and the mname in
                                                        the SOA record
                                                        is<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        broken.  I find
                                                        this happens
                                                        more often than
                                                        you might
                                                        expect.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        But yes, there
                                                        are broken
                                                        domains on the
                                                        Internet.  I
                                                        find it hard to<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        believe that
                                                        would be even
                                                        slightly
                                                        remarkable.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Best regards,<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        A<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        --<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Bei weiteren
                                                        Fragen stehen
                                                        wir Ihnen gerne
                                                        zur Verfügung.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Mit freundlichen
                                                        Grüßen,<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Volker A.
                                                        Greimann<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        -
                                                        Rechtsabteilung
                                                        -<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Key-Systems GmbH<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Tel.: <a
                                                          href="tel:+49%206894%209396901"
value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                          6894 - 9396
                                                          901</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Fax.: <a
                                                          href="tel:+49%206894%209396851"
value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                          6894 - 9396
                                                          851</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Email: <a
                                                          href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Web: <a
                                                          href="http://www.key-systems.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>
                                                        / <a
                                                          href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a>
                                                        / <a
                                                          href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Folgen Sie uns
                                                        bei Twitter oder
                                                        werden Sie unser
                                                        Fan bei
                                                        Facebook:<br>
                                                        >>>>
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                                                          href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Geschäftsführer:
                                                        Alexander
                                                        Siffrin<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Handelsregister
                                                        Nr.: HR B 18835
                                                        - Saarbruecken<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Umsatzsteuer
                                                        ID.: DE211006534<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Member of the
                                                        KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
                                                        >>>>
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                                                          href="http://www.keydrive.lu"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Der Inhalt
                                                        dieser Nachricht
                                                        ist vertraulich
                                                        und nur für den
                                                        angegebenen
                                                        Empfänger
                                                        bestimmt. Jede
                                                        Form der
                                                        Kenntnisgabe,
                                                        Veröffentlichung
                                                        oder Weitergabe
                                                        an Dritte durch
                                                        den Empfänger
                                                        ist unzulässig.
                                                        Sollte diese
                                                        Nachricht nicht
                                                        für Sie bestimmt
                                                        sein, so bitten
                                                        wir Sie, sich
                                                        mit uns per
                                                        E-Mail oder
                                                        telefonisch in
                                                        Verbindung zu
                                                        setzen.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
--------------------------------------------<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Should you have
                                                        any further
                                                        questions,
                                                        please do not
                                                        hesitate to
                                                        contact us.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Best regards,<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Volker A.
                                                        Greimann<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        - legal
                                                        department -<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Key-Systems GmbH<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Im Oberen Werk 1</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">66386 St. Ingbert</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Tel.: <a
                                                          href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901"
value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                          6894 - 9396
                                                          901</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Fax.: <a
                                                          href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851"
value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0)
                                                          6894 - 9396
                                                          851</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Email: <a
                                                          href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Web: <a
                                                          href="http://www.key-systems.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a>
                                                        / <a
                                                          href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a>
                                                        / <a
                                                          href="http://www.BrandShelter.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Follow us on
                                                        Twitter or join
                                                        our fan
                                                        community on
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                                                        stay updated:<br>
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                                                          href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
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                                                          href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        CEO: Alexander
                                                        Siffrin<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Registration
                                                        No.: HR B 18835
                                                        - Saarbruecken<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        V.A.T. ID.:
                                                        DE211006534<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Member of the
                                                        KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="http://www.keydrive.lu"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        This e-mail and
                                                        its attachments
                                                        is intended only
                                                        for the person
                                                        to whom it is
                                                        addressed.
                                                        Furthermore it
                                                        is not permitted
                                                        to publish any
                                                        content of this
                                                        email. You must
                                                        not use,
                                                        disclose, copy,
                                                        print or rely on
                                                        this e-mail. If
                                                        an addressing or
                                                        transmission
                                                        error has
                                                        misdirected this
                                                        e-mail, kindly
                                                        notify the
                                                        author by
                                                        replying to this
                                                        e-mail or
                                                        contacting us by
                                                        telephone.<br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                        mailing list<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        --<br>
                                                        >>>>
_________________________________<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        Note to self:
                                                        Pillage BEFORE
                                                        burning.<br>
                                                        >>>>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                        mailing list<br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                        >>>>
                                                        <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                        >>>
                                                        Kris Seeburn<br>
                                                        >>> <a
href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a><br>
                                                        >>>   
                                                         • <a
                                                          href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.linkedin.com/in/kseeburn/</a><br>
                                                        >>><br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    >>>
                                                    <KeepItOn_Social_animated.gif><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>><br>
                                                    >>>
                                                    ______________________________<br>
                                                    <span>>>>
                                                      _________________<br>
                                                      >>>
                                                      gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                      mailing list<br>
                                                      >>><br>
                                                      >>> <a
                                                        href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                      >>> <a
                                                        href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                        rel="noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                    </span>>>
                                                    ______________________________<br>
                                                    <span
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898imm_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898HOEnZb">>>
                                                      _________________<br>
                                                      >>
                                                      gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                      mailing list<br>
                                                      >><br>
                                                      >> <a
                                                        href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                      >> <a
                                                        href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                        rel="noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      >
                                                      _______________________________________________<br>
                                                      >
                                                      gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                      mailing list<br>
                                                      > <a
                                                        href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                      > <a
                                                        href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
                                                        rel="noreferrer"
                                                        target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      ><br>
                                                      > --<br>
                                                      >
                                                      _________________________________<br>
                                                      > Note to self:
                                                      Pillage BEFORE
                                                      burning.<br>
                                                    </span>
                                                    <div
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898HOEnZb">
                                                      <div
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898h5">>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                        >
                                                        gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                        mailing list<br>
                                                        > <a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                                                        > <a
                                                          href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><br>
                                                        <br>
                                                      </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </blockquote>
                                                </div>
                                                <br>
                                                <br clear="all">
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                -- <br>
                                                <div
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">_________________________________<br>
                                                  Note to self: Pillage
                                                  BEFORE burning.</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                              <fieldset
class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
                                              <br>
                                              <pre>_______________________________________________
gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list
<a class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>
<a class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></pre>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            <br>
                                            <pre class="m_5477689336459103560m_-6593500956563796352m_-847882815422705898moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
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