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<p>The question has never been asked directly. So you want to get me
on the bus, ask the question, as I have phrased it directly.</p>
<p>But considering almost all the anti-abuse and security types have
more or less been bullied off the bus, does it really matter
anymore?</p>
<p>j<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts
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<p>And as confirmed by Hamilton. <br>
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<p>And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA. <br>
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<p>And as confirmed by WP29. <br>
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<p>John, why do we keep having this conversation?<br>
What do we need to do here to get you on the bus, so we do not
get under the bus?<br>
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Thanks, <br>
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Theo <br>
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<div>No, not necessarily. The criteria for obtaining valid,
freely-given consent is demanding, and one cannot be asked to
consent to processing that is otherwise unlawful. We were told
in the first legal memo from WSGR that consent is not a silver
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<div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party
to ICANN<br>
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<div>Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18<br>
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<div>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>To: Volker Greimann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
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<div>This interpretation is wrong. The latter clearly says
that consent in the current system is not clearly given. If
a domain holder had the free and informed option to publish
information in whois or not THIS ISSUE IS SOLVED. <br>
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<div>John Bambenek<br>
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<div>On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker Greimann <<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>Hi Michele,<br>
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<p>I read this a final and very clear warning from the
European DPAs to ICANN and its contracted parties to
stop messing about and start getting ready in time for
May 25. The references to previous notices make it very
clear that there will be no consideration given after
that date. While the letter contains nothing new to
anyone who has paid any attention, it is very clear in
its message: Public Whois is illegal in its current
shape and form, and there is no way to make it legal
without making it non-public.<br>
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<p>Best,<br>
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<p>Volker<br>
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I'd highly recommend that you take the time to read the latest letter from the Article 29 Working Party to ICANN:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf</a>
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For clarity the Article 29 WP represents the views of the DPAs of the EU member states. In many instances DPAs will address their concerns via this group rather than individually.
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