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    <p>Good questions Allison, let me answer them from my perspective in
      no logical order :) <br>
      <br>
      4 I cannot comment on the Enom/Tucows solution, but the contracted
      parties are going above and beyond to get compliant here. And
      believe me, we are not doing this to tick people off, let alone do
      this for fun. <br>
      <br>
      We are trying to SURVIVE. <br>
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      I can comment on the fact that contracted parties have been very
      engaged to get to a solution here with ICANN at an early stage,
      but let me come back to that while I address 1 and 2. <br>
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      1 & 2<br>
      People are under the impression that ICANN has failed. But ICANN
      is US, US being the ICANN COMMUNITY. I doubt to have to explain
      that the community has been divided since forever over this. This
      RDS WG is the prime example here on how divided this community is.
      <br>
      ICANN ORG cannot move on without community support. So if we want
      solutions here, we need to work together here or you get ugly
      solutions like privacy services being used to stay compliant.<br>
      <br>
      3 This assumes ICANN had a mandate from the community to object,
      but the community decided to ignore while it should have engaged.
      <br>
      As we can read from the WP29 letter, they reached out since 2003
      and never gotten a response back from this community. I am amazed
      they still hold the door open for this community who treated the
      EU DPA's like DIRT. Well not all of the community of course...
      some people within this community been warning us for years. <br>
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    <p>Thanks, <br>
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      Theo <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8-12-2017 20:33, allison nixon
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      <div dir="ltr">Thank you, this is very helpful</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, John
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                I obviously can't answer most of that, and while I
                obviously don't speak for Tucows/eNom, this <a
href="https://www.enom.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/whois_changes_overview_enom.pdf"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">PDF</a> might
                help answer a bit on your fourth question. This <a
                  href="https://www.enom.com/blog/will-gdpr-impact-whois/"
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 11:04
                    AM, allison nixon <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      <div dir="ltr">Chuck, a few questions:
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                        <div>This letter was sent from the EU data
                          protection authorities to ICANN just
                          yesterday:</div>
                        <div><a
href="https://www.internetnews.me/2017/12/07/european-data-protection-authorities-send-clear-message-icann/"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.internetnews.me/20<wbr>17/12/07/european-data-protect<wbr>ion-authorities-send-clear-<wbr>message-icann/</a><br>
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                        <div>It's clear that ICANN's stance on the
                          GDPR/WHOIS issue has so far been to ignore it,
                          despite mounting criticism and concern from
                          all involved parties.</div>
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                        <div>I also want to highlight in particular that
                          the EU data protection authorities' letter
                          appears to be completely unaware of the
                          legitimate needs served by non-law enforcement
                          3rd parties that are impacted by the use of
                          the registered domain. For that matter, there
                          is no language at all that directly addresses
                          the rights of outsiders who are not part of
                          the commercial transaction yet are impacted by
                          a domain via spam, hacking, etc.</div>
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                        <div>1. Why is ICANN continuing to be inactive
                          on this issue?</div>
                        <div>2. Why has ICANN failed to highlight the
                          legitimate purposes that unlimited publication
                          of WHOIS data serves?</div>
                        <div>3. Why has ICANN failed to protest the fact
                          that the EU authorities are on the verge of
                          issuing a blanket ruling, backed by harsh
                          penalties and fines, that will degrade the
                          reliability, safety, and usability of the
                          DNS? </div>
                        <div>4. Where are the actual large registrars in
                          this debate? Most of the registrars in this
                          working group are small outfits in terms of
                          market share. What does Godaddy, eNom, Tucows,
                          et all think about this or plan to do about
                          it? Do they plan to make any statements?</div>
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                            <div class="m_2300234402724738762h5">On Fri,
                              Dec 8, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Chuck <span
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal">With this
                                      message I am going to start a new
                                      thread.  To set the stage let me
                                      say that I have read every message
                                      on our WG list over the last 24
                                      hours other than any that may have
                                      been sent while I am writing this.
                                      In doing that I have concluded
                                      that we need to step back and
                                      adjust our focus on the bigger
                                      picture.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">First let me
                                      say that we are not dealing with a
                                      choice of Whois as we know it
                                      today versus no Whois at all, so
                                      let’s discard that dichotomous
                                      choice.  Second, we have
                                      sufficient evidence to say that
                                      there are regulations in some
                                      jurisdictions that forbid the
                                      public display of personal
                                      information belonging to natural
                                      persons the way it happens with
                                      currently implemented Whois policy
                                      and contractual requirements. 
                                      Third, all of us as law-abiding
                                      citizens, whether individuals or
                                      organizations, must obey
                                      applicable laws.  Fourth, there
                                      are many uses of RDS data that
                                      provide essential benefits to the
                                      Internet community so we as a WG
                                      need to figure out ways to obey
                                      laws and still achieve the
                                      benefits of RDS data access.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">I think it is
                                      critical that we recognize that
                                      the laws that are mandating change
                                      to Whois policy and contractual
                                      requirements only impact a subset
                                      of any RDS system that is
                                      developed.  We are not talking
                                      about all RDS users in all
                                      geographical jurisdictions nor are
                                      we talking about all RDS data
                                      elements.  In the case of the GDPR
                                      we are talking about personal
                                      information about natural persons
                                      who reside in Europe.  I
                                      acknowledge that other
                                      jurisdictions have similar legal
                                      restrictions, but I think that the
                                      GDRP provides a good starting
                                      point.  That means that the
                                      problem we must solve primarily
                                      involves a subset of all RDS users
                                      and global jurisdictions.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Fortunately, we
                                      now have a protocol that allows us
                                      to customize any modification to
                                      the existing Whois system or
                                      development of a new RDS to
                                      accommodate the varying legal
                                      requirements by jurisdiction. 
                                      That will not be a trivial
                                      exercise, but it is doable.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">With all that
                                      said, let’s remember that we have
                                      a large subset of RDS data and RDS
                                      users that are not impacted by the
                                      various data privacy and data
                                      protection regulations around the
                                      world.  That doesn’t make our job
                                      any easier in dealing with the
                                      data elements and users who are
                                      impacted by such regulations but
                                      let’s at least recognize that the
                                      problems we must solve do not
                                      involve the whole system.  I
                                      believe we still have the
                                      possibility of recommending fairly
                                      open access for large numbers of
                                      users and data elements; I am not
                                      saying whether we should do that
                                      or not, but I strongly believe
                                      that it will help us to realize
                                      that we are not confronting an all
                                      or nothing situation.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Finally, let me
                                      finish by saying that none of what
                                      I said makes our job easy.  It
                                      will be hard.  But I ask every WG
                                      member to commit to constructive
                                      collaboration with one other to
                                      achieve what no other Whois group
                                      has ever done.  Let’s disagree
                                      respectfully, avoid personal
                                      criticism, listen carefully to one
                                      another and explore creative ways
                                      to find solutions to the
                                      challenges in front of us.</p>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for
                                      being a part of this WG.  Thanks
                                      for your patience and diligence in
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