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<p>You seem to think this is about me and not the dozens of security
and anti-abuse professionals who have left this list... I am not
sure why you think that.</p>
<p>You also seem to think by saying I haven't come up with a better
solution (whois privacy for free) or that I support that status
quo (I do not), that it makes it true.</p>
<p>But it's also when we talk about exactly those things Chuck
chimes in to say we aren't there yet, which is why I've refrained.</p>
<p>I will be contributing once we are talking about those issues as
I have been contributing in ways outside your visibility up to
this point.</p>
<p>But that doesn't mitigate or change the conduct of members of
this list who have engaged in a pattern of bullying, manipulation,
and sexism to try to make their point. It has not gone unnoticed.</p>
<p>j<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se">benny@nordreg.se</a> wrote:<br>
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Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself of the
buss with not wanting to contribute to a new solution where you
can exist but in same time we can make a better solution overall
which not equal Status Quo.<br>
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On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
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<p>The question has never been asked directly. So you want to
get me on the bus, ask the question, as I have phrased it
directly.</p>
<p>But considering almost all the anti-abuse and security
types have more or less been bullied off the bus, does it
really matter anymore?</p>
<p>j<br>
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<p>And as confirmed by Hamilton. <br>
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<p>And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA. <br>
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<p>And as confirmed by WP29. <br>
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<p>John, why do we keep having this conversation?<br>
What do we need to do here to get you on the bus, so we do
not get under the bus?<br>
<br>
Thanks, <br>
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Theo <br>
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Férdeline wrote:<br>
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<div>No, not necessarily. The criteria for obtaining
valid, freely-given consent is demanding, and one cannot
be asked to consent to processing that is otherwise
unlawful. We were told in the first legal memo from WSGR
that consent is not a silver bullet here.</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working
Party to ICANN<br>
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<div>Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18<br>
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<div>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>To: Volker Greimann <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">
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<div>This interpretation is wrong. The latter clearly
says that consent in the current system is not clearly
given. If a domain holder had the free and informed
option to publish information in whois or not THIS
ISSUE IS SOLVED. <br>
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<div>On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker Greimann <<a
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<p>Hi Michele,<br>
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<p>I read this a final and very clear warning from
the European DPAs to ICANN and its contracted
parties to stop messing about and start getting
ready in time for May 25. The references to
previous notices make it very clear that there
will be no consideration given after that date.
While the letter contains nothing new to anyone
who has paid any attention, it is very clear in
its message: Public Whois is illegal in its
current shape and form, and there is no way to
make it legal without making it non-public.<br>
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<p>Best,<br>
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<p>Volker<br>
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I'd highly recommend that you take the time to read the latest letter from the Article 29 Working Party to ICANN:
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For clarity the Article 29 WP represents the views of the DPAs of the EU member states. In many instances DPAs will address their concerns via this group rather than individually.
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