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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 11 Dec 2017, at 18:54, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
  
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  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""><p class="">Or look at .uk. strongly redacted data sets for individuals as
      registrant with the option to blank fully. But the registry will
      work with law enforceement in case of abuse. And guess what? That
      works too...</p><p class="">Volker<br class="">
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.12.2017 um 18:51 schrieb Michele
      Neylon - Blacknight:<br class="">
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      <div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class="">Allison<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class="">Most of the European ccTLDs publish minimal
            whois to the public but many offer mechanisms for granting
            access to more data.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class="">Obvious example would be .fr, but it’d be the
            same for many others.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class="">In the case of .tk and other free domains, as
            you probably know the registry back-end operator has given
            some 3<sup class="">rd</sup> parties direct access to suspend domains
            involved in abuse.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><br class="">
            Michele<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">--<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Mr Michele Neylon<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Blacknight Solutions<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/">http://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Personal blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Some thoughts: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
              <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">-------------------------------<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
              12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
        </div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
            X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US" lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"><elsakoo@gmail.com></a><br class="">
              <b class="">Date: </b>Monday 11 December 2017 at 17:49<br class="">
              <b class="">To: </b>Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br class="">
              <b class="">Cc: </b>"Chen, Tim" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tim@domaintools.com"><tim@domaintools.com></a>,
              gnso-rds-pdp-wg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br class="">
              <b class="">Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working
              Party to ICANN<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Can you tell me some of the ccTLDs?
              Any of those that feature commonly in abusive domains?
              Does .TK, .GQ, .ML, .GA, .CF have anything?<o:p class=""></o:p></a></p>
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          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">On Mon, Dec 11,
                2017 at 12:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">michele@blacknight.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Allison</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Plenty of ccTLDs offer gated access
                        to their whois and have done so for years.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Regards</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Michele</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">--</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Mr Michele
                          Neylon</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Blacknight
                          Solutions</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Hosting,
                          Colocation & Domains</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span><a href="http://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">http://blacknight.blog/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Intl.
                        </span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">+353 (0) 59  9183072</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Direct Dial:
                        </span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">+353 (0)59 9183090</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Personal
                          blog:
                        </span></span><a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">https://michele.blog/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Some
                          thoughts:
                        </span></span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">https://ceo.hosting/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">
                        </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">-------------------------------</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Blacknight
                          Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
                          Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                  </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                        X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                          </span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">allison
                          nixon <</span></span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">><br class="">
                          <b class="">Date: </b>Monday 11 December 2017 at 17:37<br class="">
                          <b class="">To: </b>"Chen, Tim" <</span></span><a href="mailto:tim@domaintools.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">tim@domaintools.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">><br class="">
                          <b class="">Cc: </b>Michele Neylon <</span></span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">michele@blacknight.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">>,
                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">></span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                            <b class="">Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
                            Article 29 Working Party to ICANN<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><a name="m_4163202769532778824__MailOriginalBody" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">this is the first
                              time ive heard of this existing. how does
                              one get access?
                            </a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">if
                              the private sector cannot get access, then
                              it is already a failure.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">On
                              Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Chen, Tim
                              <</span><a href="mailto:tim@domaintools.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">tim@domaintools.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                              wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
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                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">and
                                  just because it's being done doesn't
                                  mean it's being done effectively.
                                  <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">do we have any data from the
                                    users of these currently-existing
                                    gated systems to get their opinion
                                    as to whether it works for them?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                            <div class="">
                              <div class="">
                                <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:09 AM,
                                        Michele Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">michele@blacknight.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                        wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                    <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid
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                                      <div class="">
                                        <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Dick</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">We have been
                                                thinking about what it
                                                means in reality, as we
                                                are the ones who will
                                                have to implement it.
                                              </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">For now, I can
                                                see a situation where a
                                                registrar will end up
                                                running RDAP with ACLs.
                                                And there’ll be layers
                                                of access with logging
                                                etc.,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">It’s already
                                                being done by a lot of
                                                ccTLDs and by two gTLDs.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Just because
                                                it’s not “simple”
                                                doesn’t mean it can’t be
                                                done.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Regards</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Michele</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">--</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Mr
                                                  Michele Neylon</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Blacknight
                                                  Solutions</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Hosting,
                                                  Colocation &
                                                  Domains</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span><a href="http://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">http://blacknight.blog/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Intl.
                                                </span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">+353 (0) 59 
                                                    9183072</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Direct
                                                  Dial:
                                                </span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">+353 (0)59
                                                    9183090</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Personal
                                                  blog:
                                                </span></span><a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">https://michele.blog/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Some
                                                  thoughts:
                                                </span></span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">https://ceo.hosting/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" class="">
                                                </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">-------------------------------</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Blacknight
                                                  Internet Solutions
                                                  Ltd, Unit
                                                  12A,Barrowside
                                                  Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="" lang="EN-GB" class="">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                                                X265,Ireland  Company
                                                No.: 370845</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                                            0cm 0cm 0cm" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">From:
                                                  </span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                  <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">> on behalf of Richard Leaning
                                                  <</span></span><a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">rleaning@ripe.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">><br class="">
                                                  <b class="">Date: </b>Monday
                                                  11 December 2017 at
                                                  15:00<br class="">
                                                  <b class="">To: </b>Chuck <</span></span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">consult@cgomes.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">><br class="">
                                                  <b class="">Cc: </b>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                  <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">><br class="">
                                                  <b class="">Subject: </b>Re:
                                                  [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
                                                  Article 29 Working
                                                  Party to ICANN</span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><a name="m_4163202769532778824_m_-753185950421905" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Dear
                                                All,
                                              </a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Wasn’t sure to add to this thread
                                                a start a new one.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Accreditation and tiered access
                                                is something am hearing
                                                regularly now when
                                                discussing a ‘new’
                                                whois. Its was spoken
                                                about in corridors and
                                                bars at the last ICANN
                                                meeting and when am
                                                walking around Brussels
                                                from meeting to meeting,
                                                conference to conference
                                                its always popping up as
                                                the thing thats going to
                                                save us all.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">But has anyone stopped to think
                                                about this, what do
                                                these small words mean
                                                in reality. So who is
                                                going to decided who
                                                should be accredited,
                                                ICANN? ITU? Interpol?
                                                Europol? some brand new
                                                organisations? this
                                                debate alone will take
                                                another 5 years on top
                                                of the years we are
                                                going to spend on this
                                                WG. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Just wanted to point out that
                                                everyone throws this
                                                around without actually
                                                considering what it
                                                means in the real world.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Cheers<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Dick<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                            <div class="">
                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Richard Leaning<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">External Relations<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                              </div>
                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">RIPE NCC<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                              <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                              </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                            <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">On 8 Dec 2017, at 21:45, Chuck
                                                      <</span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">consult@cgomes.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                </div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                <div class="">
                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Caution
                                                        to all.  This
                                                        thread is
                                                        getting too
                                                        personal and
                                                        that is not
                                                        constructive.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Chuck<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                                                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">]<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
                                                          Behalf Of<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Sent:</b><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                                          December 8,
                                                          2017 9:27 AM<br class="">
                                                          <b class="">To:</b><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>allison
                                                          nixon <</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">elsakoo@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Cc:</b><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>RDS
                                                          PDP WG <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">><br class="">
                                                          <b class="">Subject:</b><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">About
                                                        behavior in the
                                                        discussion in
                                                        general<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Who
                                                          bullies
                                                          who... <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">I
                                                          did not
                                                          mention any
                                                          particular and
                                                          it was a
                                                          comment on a
                                                          view of the
                                                          above.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Your
                                                          assumptions
                                                          are way of
                                                          track and
                                                           insulting in
                                                          so many ways.
                                                          And kind of
                                                          show my point,
                                                          a comment
                                                          misused by
                                                          quoting it out
                                                          of context
                                                          making it a
                                                          fact with out
                                                          context.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div class="">
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class="">
                                                      <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Sent
                                                          from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                    </div>
                                                    <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 18:16,
                                                          allison nixon
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                      <div class="">
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                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Please
                                                          clarify:
                                                          "Sure… your
                                                          pals are
                                                          always
                                                          innocent
                                                          right?"<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">On
                                                          Dec 8, 2017
                                                          12:03 PM, "</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">"
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Criminals
                                                          were did that
                                                          come from???<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          <div id="m_4163202769532778824m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m_-5306382646128905935AppleMailSignature" class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Sent
                                                          from my iPhone<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 17:22,
                                                          allison nixon
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>>
                                                          Sure… your
                                                          pals are
                                                          always
                                                          innocent
                                                          right?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>>
                                                          Lets just
                                                          agree that we
                                                          have different
                                                          viewpoints on
                                                          this.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">I'm
                                                          assuming
                                                          you're
                                                          referencing
                                                          the earlier
                                                          defamation
                                                          against
                                                          spamhaus that
                                                          occurred on
                                                          this list,
                                                          apparently
                                                          without the
                                                          leadership of
                                                          this list
                                                          flagging it as
                                                          inappropriate?
                                                          Or are you
                                                          accusing
                                                          someone else
                                                          of being a
                                                          criminal?
                                                          Please do be
                                                          more specific.
                                                          It's better
                                                          when the
                                                          defamation is
                                                          explicit
                                                          rather than
                                                          inferred.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div class="">
                                                          <div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">On
                                                          Fri, Dec 8,
                                                          2017 at 1:48
                                                          AM,<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">Sure…
                                                          your pals are
                                                          always
                                                          innocent
                                                          right?<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          Lets just
                                                          agree that we
                                                          have different
                                                          viewpoints on
                                                          this.<br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">--</span><br class="">
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                                                          vänliga
                                                          hälsningar /
                                                          Kind Regards /
                                                          Med vennlig
                                                          hilsen</span><br class="">
                                                          <br class="">
                                                          <span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Benny
                                                          Samuelsen</span><br class="">
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                                                          Manager -
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                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 07:28, John
                                                          Bambenek <</span><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
                                                          ><br class="">
                                                          > Remind me
                                                          again, which
                                                          side of this
                                                          fight has been
                                                          disparaging
                                                          and defaming
                                                          the other
                                                          side? Please.
                                                          Its your pals
                                                          that have been
                                                          engaging in a
                                                          pattern of
                                                          sexism, not
                                                          mine.<br class="">
                                                          ><br class="">
                                                          > --<br class="">
                                                          > John
                                                          Bambenek<br class="">
                                                          ><br class="">
                                                          >> On
                                                          Dec 8, 2017,
                                                          at 14:11, "</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">"
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >> No
                                                          it’s not about
                                                          you, it’s 
                                                          about the way
                                                          people form
                                                          the group you
                                                          apparently
                                                          represent have
                                                          been acting in
                                                          discussions.<br class="">
                                                          >> And
                                                          that have imo
                                                          been
                                                          manipulating
                                                          for making no
                                                          progress.<br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >> Well
                                                          free privacy
                                                          whois isn't a
                                                          solution as
                                                          long as the
                                                          anti abuse
                                                          people states
                                                          that it will
                                                          create
                                                          problems for
                                                          the user.<br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >> --<br class="">
                                                          >> Med
                                                          vänliga
                                                          hälsningar /
                                                          Kind Regards /
                                                          Med vennlig
                                                          hilsen<br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >> Benny
                                                          Samuelsen<br class="">
                                                          >>
                                                          Registry
                                                          Manager -
                                                          Domainexpert<br class="">
                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >>
                                                          Nordreg AB -
                                                          ICANN
                                                          accredited
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                                                          >>
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                                                          >>
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                                                          >>
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                                                          >><br class="">
                                                          >>>
                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 07:00, John
                                                          Bambenek <</span><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
                                                          >>><br class="">
                                                          >>>
                                                          You seem to
                                                          think this is
                                                          about me and
                                                          not the dozens
                                                          of security
                                                          and anti-abuse
                                                          professionals
                                                          who have left
                                                          this list... I
                                                          am not sure
                                                          why you think
                                                          that.<br class="">
                                                          >>><br class="">
                                                          >>>
                                                          You also seem
                                                          to think by
                                                          saying I
                                                          haven't come
                                                          up with a
                                                          better
                                                          solution
                                                          (whois privacy
                                                          for free) or
                                                          that I support
                                                          that status
                                                          quo (I do
                                                          not), that it
                                                          makes it true.<br class="">
                                                          >>><br class="">
                                                          >>>
                                                          But it's also
                                                          when we talk
                                                          about exactly
                                                          those things
                                                          Chuck chimes
                                                          in to say we
                                                          aren't there
                                                          yet, which is
                                                          why I've
                                                          refrained.<br class="">
                                                          >>><br class="">
                                                          >>> I
                                                          will be
                                                          contributing
                                                          once we are
                                                          talking about
                                                          those issues
                                                          as I have been
                                                          contributing
                                                          in ways
                                                          outside your
                                                          visibility up
                                                          to this point.<br class="">
                                                          >>><br class="">
                                                          >>>
                                                          But that
                                                          doesn't
                                                          mitigate or
                                                          change the
                                                          conduct of
                                                          members of
                                                          this list who
                                                          have engaged
                                                          in a pattern
                                                          of bullying,
                                                          manipulation,
                                                          and sexism to
                                                          try to make
                                                          their point.
                                                          It has not
                                                          gone
                                                          unnoticed.<br class="">
                                                          >>><br class="">
                                                          >>> j<br class="">
>>>> On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM,<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class="">
>>>> Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself
                                                          of the buss
                                                          with not
                                                          wanting to
                                                          contribute to
                                                          a new solution
                                                          where you can
                                                          exist but in
                                                          same time we
                                                          can make a
                                                          better
                                                          solution
                                                          overall which
                                                          not equal
                                                          Status Quo.<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br class="">
>>>><br class="">
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
>>>>><br class="">
>>>>> The question has never been asked directly. So you
                                                          want to get me
                                                          on the bus,
                                                          ask the
                                                          question, as I
                                                          have phrased
                                                          it           
                                                           directly.<br class="">
>>>>><br class="">
>>>>> But considering almost all the anti-abuse and
                                                          security types
                                                          have more or
                                                          less been
                                                          bullied off
                                                          the bus, does
                                                          it really
                                                          matter
                                                          anymore?<br class="">
>>>>><br class="">
>>>>> j<br class="">
>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>> On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:<br class="">
>>>>>> And as confirmed by Hamilton.<br class="">
>>>>>> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.<br class="">
>>>>>> And as confirmed by WP29.<br class="">
>>>>>> John, why do we keep having this conversation?<br class="">
>>>>>> What do we need to do here to get you on the
                                                          bus, so we do
                                                          not get under
                                                          the bus?<br class="">
>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>> Thanks,<br class="">
>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>> Theo<br class="">
>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br class="">
>>>>>>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for
                                                          obtaining
                                                          valid,
                                                          freely-given
                                                          consent is
                                                          demanding, and
                                                          one cannot be
                                                          asked to
                                                          consent to
                                                          processing
                                                          that is
                                                          otherwise
                                                          unlawful. We
                                                          were told in
                                                          the first
                                                          legal memo
                                                          from WSGR that
                                                          consent is not
                                                          a silver
                                                          bullet here.<br class="">
>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>> — Ayden<br class="">
>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------<br class="">
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article
                                                          29 Working
                                                          Party to ICANN<br class="">
>>>>>>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM<br class="">
>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18<br class="">
>>>>>>>> From:<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>> To: Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">><br class="">
>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. The
                                                          latter clearly
                                                          says that
                                                          consent in the
                                                          current system
                                                          is not clearly
                                                          given. If a
                                                          domain holder
                                                          had the free
                                                          and informed
                                                          option to
                                                          publish
                                                          information in
                                                          whois or not
                                                          THIS ISSUE IS
                                                          SOLVED.<br class="">
>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>> --<br class="">
>>>>>>>> John Bambenek<br class="">
>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker
                                                          Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class="">>
                                                          wrote:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Hi Michele,<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> I read this a final and very clear
                                                          warning from
                                                          the European
                                                          DPAs to ICANN
                                                          and its
                                                          contracted
                                                          parties to
                                                          stop messing
                                                          about and
                                                          start getting
                                                          ready in time
                                                          for May 25.
                                                          The references
                                                          to previous
                                                          notices make
                                                          it very clear
                                                          that there
                                                          will be no 
                                                          consideration
                                                          given after
                                                          that date.
                                                          While the
                                                          letter
                                                          contains
                                                          nothing new to
                                                          anyone who has
                                                          paid any
                                                          attention, it
                                                          is very clear
                                                          in its
                                                          message:
                                                          Public Whois
                                                          is illegal in
                                                          its current
                                                          shape and
                                                          form, and
                                                          there is no
                                                          way to make it
                                                          legal without
                                                          making it
                                                          non-public.<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Best,<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Volker<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb
                                                          Michele Neylon
                                                          - Blacknight:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> All<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you
                                                          take the time
                                                          to read the
                                                          latest letter
                                                          from the
                                                          Article 29
                                                          Working Party
                                                          to ICANN:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> (also attached)<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP
                                                          represents the
                                                          views of the
                                                          DPAs of the EU
                                                          member states.
                                                          In many
                                                          instances DPAs
                                                          will address
                                                          their concerns
                                                          via this group
                                                          rather than
                                                          individually.<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Regards<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Michele<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> <br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> --<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Solutions<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Hosting, Colocation &
                                                          Domains<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">https://blacknight.blog/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">https://ceo.hosting/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Intl.<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">+353
                                                          (0) 59 9183072</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial:<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">+353
                                                          (0)59 9183090</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions
                                                          Ltd, Unit
                                                          12A,Barrowside
                                                          Business
                                                          Park,Sleaty<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                                                          X265,<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> Ireland  Company No.: 370845<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> --<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir
                                                          Ihnen gerne
                                                          zur Verfügung.<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> - Rechtsabteilung -<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">Im Oberen Werk 1</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">66386 St. Ingbert</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Tel.:<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">+49
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>>>>>>>>> Fax.:<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">+49
                                                          (0) 6894 -
                                                          9396 851</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Email:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Web:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.key-systems.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>/<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.rrpproxy.net/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.RRPproxy.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.domaindiscount24.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>/<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.brandshelter.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.BrandShelter.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder
                                                          werden Sie
                                                          unser Fan bei
                                                          Facebook:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.twitter.com/key_systems</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 -
                                                          Saarbruecken<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.keydrive.lu</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist
                                                          vertraulich
                                                          und nur für
                                                          den
                                                          angegebenen
                                                          Empfänger
                                                          bestimmt. Jede
                                                          Form der
                                                          Kenntnisgabe,
Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist
                                                          unzulässig.
                                                          Sollte diese
                                                          Nachricht
                                                          nicht für Sie
                                                          bestimmt sein,
                                                          so bitten wir
                                                          Sie, sich mit
                                                          uns per E-Mail
                                                          oder
                                                          telefonisch in
                                                          Verbindung zu
                                                          setzen.<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>
                                                          --------------------------------------------<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Should you have any further
                                                          questions,
                                                          please do not
                                                          hesitate to
                                                          contact us.<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> - legal department -<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">Im Oberen Werk 1</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">66386 St. Ingbert</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Tel.:<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">+49
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>>>>>>>>> Fax.:<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">+49
                                                          (0) 6894 -
                                                          9396 851</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Email:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Web:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.key-systems.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>/<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.rrpproxy.net/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.RRPproxy.net</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.domaindiscount24.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>/<span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.brandshelter.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.BrandShelter.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Follow us on Twitter or join our
                                                          fan community
                                                          on Facebook
                                                          and stay
                                                          updated:<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.twitter.com/key_systems</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 -
                                                          Saarbruecken<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">www.keydrive.lu</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>> This e-mail and its attachments is
                                                          intended only
                                                          for the person
                                                          to whom it is
                                                          addressed.
                                                          Furthermore it
                                                          is not
                                                          permitted to
                                                          publish any
                                                          content of
                                                          this email.
                                                          You must not
                                                          use, disclose,
                                                          copy, print or
                                                          rely on this
                                                          e-mail. If an
                                                          addressing or
                                                          transmission
                                                          error has
                                                          misdirected
                                                          this e-mail,
                                                          kindly notify
                                                          the author by
                                                          replying to
                                                          this e-mail or
                                                          contacting us
                                                          by telephone.<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>><br class="">
>>>>>>>>>
                                                          _______________________________________________<br class="">
>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br class="">
>>>>>>>>><span class="m4163202769532778824m-7531859504219058334m2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class=""><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><span style="color:purple" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody" class=""><br class="">
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