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<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>I am thankful to ECO that they did all this work and research,
however the draft document is not mine to share. There is still a
lot that needs figuring out as well such as third party access.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.12.2017 um 19:03 schrieb Paul
Keating:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Volker,</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">As noted great efforts today.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Can you share the Play Book
in its current draft?</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Paul</font></div>
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style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of allison nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Monday, December
11, 2017 at 6:52 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Volker Greimann
<<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> RDS PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN<br>
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<div dir="ltr">See, this is why the private sector has
legitimate concerns about having access. First, we are
assured that we will have access, then the goalposts move.
How far can we expect them to move?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:44 PM,
Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p>Depends what you define as a failure. First of all,
the new system should check all the boxes for
legitimate data processing. If we find that there is
no way to allow third party access legally, we will
have to live with that. It will be hard to justify
just anyone accessing such data, so there needs to
be a controlled access model. <br>
</p>
<p>Who ultimately will have access will have to be
determined down the road. Any gated access model
will be an improvement over blank whois though, as I
hope you will agree.</p>
<p>I for one define anything that will not get us sued
for violation of data protection regulations a
success. Anything on top is a stretch goal that can
be tackled once the premier goal is met. <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
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<div class="m_5252326277269475073moz-cite-prefix">Am
11.12.2017 um 18:37 schrieb allison nixon:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">this is the first time ive heard of
this existing. how does one get access?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>if the private sector cannot get access, then
it is already a failure.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at
11:17 AM, Chen, Tim <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:tim@domaintools.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">tim@domaintools.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">and just because it's being
done doesn't mean it's being done
effectively.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>do we have any data from the users of
these currently-existing gated systems to
get their opinion as to whether it works
for them?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11,
2017 at 8:09 AM, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Dick</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">We have been
thinking about what it means
in reality, as we are the
ones who will have to
implement it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">For now, I can
see a situation where a
registrar will end up
running RDAP with ACLs. And
there’ll be layers of access
with logging etc.,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">It’s already
being done by a lot of
ccTLDs and by two gTLDs.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Just because
it’s not “simple” doesn’t
mean it can’t be done.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-GB">Michele</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>>
on behalf of Richard
Leaning <<a
href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rleaning@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 11
December 2017 at 15:00<br>
<b>To: </b>Chuck <<a
href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article
29 Working Party to ICANN</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
name="m_5252326277269475073_m_-7531859504219058334_m_2746340775783426683__MailOriginalBody"
moz-do-not-send="true">Dear
All, </a></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Wasn’t
sure to add to this thread
a start a new one.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Accreditation
and tiered access is
something am hearing
regularly now when
discussing a ‘new’ whois.
Its was spoken about in
corridors and bars at the
last ICANN meeting and
when am walking around
Brussels from meeting to
meeting, conference to
conference its always
popping up as the thing
thats going to save us
all.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>But
has anyone stopped to
think about this, what do
these small words mean in
reality. So who is going
to decided who should be
accredited, ICANN? ITU?
Interpol? Europol? some
brand new organisations?
this debate alone will
take another 5 years on
top of the years we are
going to spend on this
WG. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Just
wanted to point out that
everyone throws this
around without actually
considering what it means
in the real world.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Cheers</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dick</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Richard
Leaning</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>External
Relations</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>RIPE
NCC</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On
8 Dec 2017, at
21:45, Chuck <</span><a
href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>consult@cgomes.com</span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Caution
to all. This
thread is getting
too personal and
that is not
constructive.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
</div>
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<p
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class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
[</span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span>]<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>benny@nordreg.se</span><span></span></a><span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
December 8,
2017 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>allison
nixon <<a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>RDS
PDP WG <<a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29 Working Party to ICANN</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>About
behavior in the
discussion in
general<span
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</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Who
bullies who... </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I
did not mention
any particular
and it was a
comment on a
view of the
above.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Your
assumptions are
way of track and
insulting in so
many ways. And
kind of show my
point, a comment
misused by
quoting it out
of context
making it a fact
with out
context.</span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent
from my iPhone</span></p>
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On 8 Dec 2017,
at 18:16,
allison nixon
<</span><a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span style="color:purple">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Please
clarify:
"Sure… your
pals are
always
innocent
right?"</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
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class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>On
Dec 8, 2017
12:03 PM, "</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>"
<</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Criminals
were did that
come from???<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent
from my iPhone</span></p>
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On 8 Dec 2017,
at 17:22,
allison nixon
<</span><a
href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>>>
Sure… your
pals are
always
innocent
right?</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>>>
Lets just
agree that we
have different
viewpoints on
this.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>I'm
assuming
you're
referencing
the earlier
defamation
against
spamhaus that
occurred on
this list,
apparently
without the
leadership of
this list
flagging it as
inappropriate?
Or are you
accusing
someone else
of being a
criminal?
Please do be
more specific.
It's better
when the
defamation is
explicit
rather than
inferred.</span></p>
</div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span>On
Fri, Dec 8,
2017 at 1:48
AM,<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@no<wbr>rdreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
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class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>Sure… your pals are always innocent
right?<br>
<br>
Lets just
agree that we
have different
viewpoints on
this.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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vänliga
hälsningar /
Kind Regards /
Med vennlig
hilsen</span><br>
<br>
<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Benny
Samuelsen</span><br>
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Manager -
Domainexpert</span><br>
<br>
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<p
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On 8 Dec 2017,
at 07:28, John
Bambenek <</span><a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Remind me
again, which
side of this
fight has been
disparaging
and defaming
the other
side? Please.
Its your pals
that have been
engaging in a
pattern of
sexism, not
mine.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> John
Bambenek<br>
><br>
>> On
Dec 8, 2017,
at 14:11, "</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>"
<</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> No
it’s not about
you, it’s
about the way
people form
the group you
apparently
represent have
been acting in
discussions.<br>
>> And
that have imo
been
manipulating
for making no
progress.<br>
>><br>
>> Well
free privacy
whois isn't a
solution as
long as the
anti abuse
people states
that it will
create
problems for
the user.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Med
vänliga
hälsningar /
Kind Regards /
Med vennlig
hilsen<br>
>><br>
>> Benny
Samuelsen<br>
>>
Registry
Manager -
Domainexpert<br>
>><br>
>>
Nordreg AB -
ICANN
accredited
registrar<br>
>>
IANA-ID: 638<br>
>>
Phone:<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="tel:%2B46.42197000" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">+46.42197000</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>
Direct:<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="tel:%2B47.32260201" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">+47.32260201</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>
Mobile:<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="tel:%2B47.40410200" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">+47.40410200</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>>>
On 8 Dec 2017,
at 07:00, John
Bambenek <</span><a
href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>
You seem to
think this is
about me and
not the dozens
of security
and anti-abuse
professionals
who have left
this list... I
am not sure
why you think
that.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
You also seem
to think by
saying I
haven't come
up with a
better
solution
(whois privacy
for free) or
that I support
that status
quo (I do
not), that it
makes it true.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
But it's also
when we talk
about exactly
those things
Chuck chimes
in to say we
aren't there
yet, which is
why I've
refrained.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I
will be
contributing
once we are
talking about
those issues
as I have been
contributing
in ways
outside your
visibility up
to this point.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
But that
doesn't
mitigate or
change the
conduct of
members of
this list who
have engaged
in a pattern
of bullying,
manipulation,
and sexism to
try to make
their point.
It has not
gone
unnoticed.<br>
>>><br>
>>> j<br>
>>>> On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM,<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>wrote:<br>
>>>> Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself
of the buss
with not
wanting to
contribute to
a new solution
where you can
exist but in
same time we
can make a
better
solution
overall which
not equal
Status Quo.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<</span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The question has never been asked directly. So you
want to get me
on the bus,
ask the
question, as I
have phrased
it
directly.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> But considering almost all the anti-abuse and
security types
have more or
less been
bullied off
the bus, does
it really
matter
anymore?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> j<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by Hamilton.<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by WP29.<br>
>>>>>> John, why do we keep having this conversation?<br>
>>>>>> What do we need to do here to get you on the
bus, so we do
not get under
the bus?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Theo<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for
obtaining
valid,
freely-given
consent is
demanding, and
one cannot be
asked to
consent to
processing
that is
otherwise
unlawful. We
were told in
the first
legal memo
from WSGR that
consent is not
a silver
bullet here.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> — Ayden<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article
29 Working
Party to ICANN<br>
>>>>>>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM<br>
>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18<br>
>>>>>>>> From:<span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.or<wbr>g</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>> To: Volker Greimann <</span><a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span>><br>
>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann<wbr>.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. The
latter clearly
says that
consent in the
current system
is not clearly
given. If a
domain holder
had the free
and informed
option to
publish
information in
whois or not
THIS ISSUE IS
SOLVED.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>> John Bambenek<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker
Greimann <</span><a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Michele,<br>
>>>>>>>>> I read this a final and very clear
warning from
the European
DPAs to ICANN
and its
contracted
parties to
stop messing
about and
start getting
ready in time
for May 25.
The references
to previous
notices make
it very clear
that there
will be no
consideration
given after
that date.
While the
letter
contains
nothing new to
anyone who has
paid any
attention, it
is very clear
in its
message:
Public Whois
is illegal in
its current
shape and
form, and
there is no
way to make it
legal without
making it
non-public.<br>
>>>>>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb
Michele Neylon
- Blacknight:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> All<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you
take the time
to read the
latest letter
from the
Article 29
Working Party
to ICANN:<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span style="color:purple">https://www.icann.o<wbr>rg/en/system/files/corresponde<wbr>nce/falque-pierrotin-to-chalab<wbr>y-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> (also attached)<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP
represents the
views of the
DPAs of the EU
member states.
In many
instances DPAs
will address
their concerns
via this group
rather than
individually.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Michele<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
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>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span
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>>>>>>>>>><span
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>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir
Ihnen gerne
zur Verfügung.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br>
>>>>>>>>> - Rechtsabteilung -<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br>
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uns per E-Mail
oder
telefonisch in
Verbindung zu
setzen.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------<wbr>--------------<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Should you have any further
questions,
please do not
hesitate to
contact us.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br>
>>>>>>>>> - legal department -<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br>
>>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span style="color:purple">Im
Oberen Werk 1</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span style="color:purple">66386
St. Ingbert</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Tel.:<span
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href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Fax.:<span
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href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Email:<br>
>>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-system<wbr>s.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Web:<br>
>>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="http://www.key-systems.net/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
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style="color:purple">www.RRPproxy.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span
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href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">www.domaindiscount24<wbr>.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span
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href="http://www.brandshelter.com/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">www.BrandShelter.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Follow us on Twitter or join our
fan community
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and stay
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">www.facebook.com/Key<wbr>Systems</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span
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href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">www.twitter.com/key_<wbr>systems</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
>>>>>>>>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 -
Saarbruecken<br>
>>>>>>>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="http://www.keydrive.lu/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">www.keydrive.lu</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> This e-mail and its attachments is
intended only
for the person
to whom it is
addressed.
Furthermore it
is not
permitted to
publish any
content of
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You must not
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>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>>>>>><span
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@ican<wbr>n.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span
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>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><span
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.<wbr>org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>><span
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>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>><span
class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span><span
style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.or<wbr>g</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a>
Email: <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
<a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.facebook.com/KeySystems</a><a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.twitter.com/key_systems</a>
Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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------------------------------<wbr>--------------
Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a>
Fax.: <a href="tel:+49%206894%209396851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a>
Email: <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.RRPproxy.net</a><a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="m_5252326277269475073moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
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