<div dir="ltr">See, this is why the private sector has legitimate concerns about having access. First, we are assured that we will have access, then the goalposts move. How far can we expect them to move?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Depends what you define as a failure. First of all, the new
system should check all the boxes for legitimate data processing.
If we find that there is no way to allow third party access
legally, we will have to live with that. It will be hard to
justify just anyone accessing such data, so there needs to be a
controlled access model. <br>
</p>
<p>Who ultimately will have access will have to be determined down
the road. Any gated access model will be an improvement over blank
whois though, as I hope you will agree.</p>
<p>I for one define anything that will not get us sued for violation
of data protection regulations a success. Anything on top is a
stretch goal that can be tackled once the premier goal is met. <br>
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_5252326277269475073moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.12.2017 um 18:37 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">this is the first time ive heard of this existing.
how does one get access?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>if the private sector cannot get access, then it is already
a failure.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Chen,
Tim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@domaintools.com" target="_blank">tim@domaintools.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">and just because it's being done doesn't mean
it's being done effectively.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>do we have any data from the users of these
currently-existing gated systems to get their opinion as
to whether it works for them?</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:09
AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dick</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">We
have been thinking about what it means in
reality, as we are the ones who will have
to implement it.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">For
now, I can see a situation where a
registrar will end up running RDAP with
ACLs. And there’ll be layers of access
with logging etc.,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It’s
already being done by a lot of ccTLDs and
by two gTLDs.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Just
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>>
on behalf of Richard Leaning <<a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net" target="_blank">rleaning@ripe.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 11 December 2017 at
15:00<br>
<b>To: </b>Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Article 29 Working Party to ICANN</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_5252326277269475073_m_-7531859504219058334_m_2746340775783426683__MailOriginalBody">Dear All, </a></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Wasn’t sure to
add to this thread a start a new one.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Accreditation and
tiered access is something am hearing
regularly now when discussing a ‘new’
whois. Its was spoken about in corridors
and bars at the last ICANN meeting and
when am walking around Brussels from
meeting to meeting, conference to
conference its always popping up as the
thing thats going to save us all.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>But has anyone
stopped to think about this, what do
these small words mean in reality. So
who is going to decided who should be
accredited, ICANN? ITU? Interpol?
Europol? some brand new organisations?
this debate alone will take another 5
years on top of the years we are going
to spend on this WG. </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Just wanted to
point out that everyone throws this
around without actually considering what
it means in the real world.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Cheers</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dick</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Richard
Leaning</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>External
Relations</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>RIPE NCC</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
<br>
</span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 8 Dec
2017, at 21:45, Chuck <</span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><span>consult@cgomes.com</span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Caution
to all. This thread is getting
too personal and that is not
constructive.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b>From:</b></span><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
[</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span>mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span>]<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span>benny@nordreg.se</span><span></span></a><span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
December 8, 2017 9:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>allison
nixon <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>RDS
PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29
Working Party to ICANN</span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>About
behavior in the discussion in
general<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Who
bullies who... </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I did
not mention any particular and
it was a comment on a view of
the above.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Your
assumptions are way of track
and insulting in so many
ways. And kind of show my
point, a comment misused by
quoting it out of context
making it a fact with out
context.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent
from my iPhone</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><br>
On 8 Dec 2017, at 18:16,
allison nixon <</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Please
clarify: "Sure… your
pals are always innocent
right?"</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On
Dec 8, 2017 12:03 PM,
"</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>"
<</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Criminals
were did that come
from???<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span> </span></p>
<div id="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m_-5306382646128905935AppleMailSignature">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent
from my iPhone</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><br>
On 8 Dec 2017,
at 17:22,
allison nixon
<</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>>>
Sure… your
pals are
always
innocent
right?</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>>>
Lets just
agree that we
have different
viewpoints on
this.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I'm
assuming
you're
referencing
the earlier
defamation
against
spamhaus that
occurred on
this list,
apparently
without the
leadership of
this list
flagging it as
inappropriate?
Or are you
accusing
someone else
of being a
criminal?
Please do be
more specific.
It's better
when the
defamation is
explicit
rather than
inferred.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On
Fri, Dec 8,
2017 at 1:48
AM,<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@no<wbr>rdreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>Sure… your pals are always innocent
right?<br>
<br>
Lets just
agree that we
have different
viewpoints on
this.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">--</span><br>
<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Med
vänliga
hälsningar /
Kind Regards /
Med vennlig
hilsen</span><br>
<br>
<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Benny
Samuelsen</span><br>
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Manager -
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<br>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>>
On 8 Dec 2017,
at 07:28, John
Bambenek <</span><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Remind me
again, which
side of this
fight has been
disparaging
and defaming
the other
side? Please.
Its your pals
that have been
engaging in a
pattern of
sexism, not
mine.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> John
Bambenek<br>
><br>
>> On
Dec 8, 2017,
at 14:11, "</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>"
<</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> No
it’s not about
you, it’s
about the way
people form
the group you
apparently
represent have
been acting in
discussions.<br>
>> And
that have imo
been
manipulating
for making no
progress.<br>
>><br>
>> Well
free privacy
whois isn't a
solution as
long as the
anti abuse
people states
that it will
create
problems for
the user.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Med
vänliga
hälsningar /
Kind Regards /
Med vennlig
hilsen<br>
>><br>
>> Benny
Samuelsen<br>
>>
Registry
Manager -
Domainexpert<br>
>><br>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
Direct:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B47.32260201" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+47.32260201</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>
Mobile:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B47.40410200" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+47.40410200</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>>>
On 8 Dec 2017,
at 07:00, John
Bambenek <</span><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>
You seem to
think this is
about me and
not the dozens
of security
and anti-abuse
professionals
who have left
this list... I
am not sure
why you think
that.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
You also seem
to think by
saying I
haven't come
up with a
better
solution
(whois privacy
for free) or
that I support
that status
quo (I do
not), that it
makes it true.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
But it's also
when we talk
about exactly
those things
Chuck chimes
in to say we
aren't there
yet, which is
why I've
refrained.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I
will be
contributing
once we are
talking about
those issues
as I have been
contributing
in ways
outside your
visibility up
to this point.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
But that
doesn't
mitigate or
change the
conduct of
members of
this list who
have engaged
in a pattern
of bullying,
manipulation,
and sexism to
try to make
their point.
It has not
gone
unnoticed.<br>
>>><br>
>>> j<br>
>>>> On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM,<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>wrote:<br>
>>>> Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself
of the buss
with not
wanting to
contribute to
a new solution
where you can
exist but in
same time we
can make a
better
solution
overall which
not equal
Status Quo.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg
<</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The question has never been asked directly. So you
want to get me
on the bus,
ask the
question, as I
have phrased
it
directly.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> But considering almost all the anti-abuse and
security types
have more or
less been
bullied off
the bus, does
it really
matter
anymore?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> j<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by Hamilton.<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by WP29.<br>
>>>>>> John, why do we keep having this conversation?<br>
>>>>>> What do we need to do here to get you on the
bus, so we do
not get under
the bus?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Theo<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for
obtaining
valid,
freely-given
consent is
demanding, and
one cannot be
asked to
consent to
processing
that is
otherwise
unlawful. We
were told in
the first
legal memo
from WSGR that
consent is not
a silver
bullet here.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> — Ayden<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article
29 Working
Party to ICANN<br>
>>>>>>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM<br>
>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18<br>
>>>>>>>> From:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.or<wbr>g</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>> To: Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span>><br>
>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann<wbr>.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. The
latter clearly
says that
consent in the
current system
is not clearly
given. If a
domain holder
had the free
and informed
option to
publish
information in
whois or not
THIS ISSUE IS
SOLVED.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>> John Bambenek<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker
Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Michele,<br>
>>>>>>>>> I read this a final and very clear
warning from
the European
DPAs to ICANN
and its
contracted
parties to
stop messing
about and
start getting
ready in time
for May 25.
The references
to previous
notices make
it very clear
that there
will be no
consideration
given after
that date.
While the
letter
contains
nothing new to
anyone who has
paid any
attention, it
is very clear
in its
message:
Public Whois
is illegal in
its current
shape and
form, and
there is no
way to make it
legal without
making it
non-public.<br>
>>>>>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb
Michele Neylon
- Blacknight:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> All<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you
take the time
to read the
latest letter
from the
Article 29
Working Party
to ICANN:<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://www.icann.o<wbr>rg/en/system/files/corresponde<wbr>nce/falque-pierrotin-to-chalab<wbr>y-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> (also attached)<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP
represents the
views of the
DPAs of the EU
member states.
In many
instances DPAs
will address
their concerns
via this group
rather than
individually.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Michele<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> --<br>
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>>>>>>>>><br>
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