<div dir="ltr">See, this is why the private sector has legitimate concerns about having access. First, we are assured that we will have access, then the goalposts move. How far can we expect them to move?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Depends what you define as a failure. First of all, the new
      system should check all the boxes for legitimate data processing.
      If we find that there is no way to allow third party access
      legally, we will have to live with that. It will be hard to
      justify just anyone accessing such data, so there needs to be a
      controlled access model. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Who ultimately will have access will have to be determined down
      the road. Any gated access model will be an improvement over blank
      whois though, as I hope you will agree.</p>
    <p>I for one define anything that will not get us sued for violation
      of data protection regulations a success. Anything on top is a
      stretch goal that can be tackled once the premier goal is met. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Volker<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="m_5252326277269475073moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.12.2017 um 18:37 schrieb allison
      nixon:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">this is the first time ive heard of this existing.
        how does one get access?
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>if the private sector cannot get access, then it is already
          a failure.</div>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Chen,
          Tim <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@domaintools.com" target="_blank">tim@domaintools.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">and just because it's being done doesn't mean
              it's being done effectively.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>do we have any data from the users of these
                currently-existing gated systems to get their opinion as
                to whether it works for them?</div>
            </div>
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              <div class="m_5252326277269475073h5">
                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 8:09
                    AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                      <div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-IE">
                        <div class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683WordSection1">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Dick</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">We
                              have been thinking about what it means in
                              reality, as we are the ones who will have
                              to implement it.
                            </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">For
                              now, I can see a situation where a
                              registrar will end up running RDAP with
                              ACLs. And there’ll be layers of access
                              with logging etc.,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It’s
                              already being done by a lot of ccTLDs and
                              by two gTLDs.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Just
                              because it’s not “simple” doesn’t mean it
                              can’t be done.</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">--</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Mr
                                Michele Neylon</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
                                Solutions</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Hosting,
                                Colocation & Domains</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Intl. <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" value="+353599183072" target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 
                                  9183072</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Direct
                                Dial: <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" value="+353599183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59
                                  9183090</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Personal
                                blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Some
                                thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
                              </span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">------------------------------<wbr>-</span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
                                Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
                                12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
                              X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB"></span></p>
                          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
                                </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann<wbr>.org</a>>
                                on behalf of Richard Leaning <<a href="mailto:rleaning@ripe.net" target="_blank">rleaning@ripe.net</a>><br>
                                <b>Date: </b>Monday 11 December 2017 at
                                15:00<br>
                                <b>To: </b>Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br>
                                <b>Cc: </b>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
                                <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
                                Article 29 Working Party to ICANN</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                          </div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_5252326277269475073_m_-7531859504219058334_m_2746340775783426683__MailOriginalBody">Dear All, </a></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Wasn’t sure to
                                add to this thread a start a new one.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Accreditation and
                                tiered access is something am hearing
                                regularly now when discussing a ‘new’
                                whois. Its was spoken about in corridors
                                and bars at the last ICANN meeting and
                                when am walking around Brussels from
                                meeting to meeting, conference to
                                conference its always popping up as the
                                thing thats going to save us all.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>But has anyone
                                stopped to think about this, what do
                                these small words mean in reality. So
                                who is going to decided who should be
                                accredited, ICANN? ITU? Interpol?
                                Europol? some brand new organisations?
                                this debate alone will take another 5
                                years on top of the years we are going
                                to spend on this WG. </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Just wanted to
                                point out that everyone throws this
                                around without actually considering what
                                it means in the real world.</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Cheers</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dick</span></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Richard
                                    Leaning</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>External
                                    Relations</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>RIPE NCC</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                              </div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span><br>
                                  <br>
                                </span></p>
                              <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 8 Dec
                                      2017, at 21:45, Chuck <</span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><span>consult@cgomes.com</span><span></span></a><span>>
                                      wrote:</span></p>
                                </div>
                                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Caution
                                        to all.  This thread is getting
                                        too personal and that is not
                                        constructive.</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chuck</span></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><b>From:</b></span><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                            [</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span>mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span>]<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                              Behalf Of<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span>benny@nordreg.se</span><span></span></a><span><br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                            December 8, 2017 9:27 AM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>allison
                                            nixon <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
                                            <b>Cc:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>RDS
                                            PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                            [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article 29
                                            Working Party to ICANN</span></p>
                                      </div>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                  </div>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>About
                                        behavior in the discussion in
                                        general<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Who
                                          bullies who... </span></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I did
                                          not mention any particular and
                                          it was a comment on a view of
                                          the above.</span></p>
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                                  </div>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                    </div>
                                  </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Your
                                          assumptions are way of track
                                          and  insulting in so many
                                          ways. And kind of show my
                                          point, a comment misused by
                                          quoting it out of context
                                          making it a fact with out
                                          context.</span></p>
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                                  </div>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                    </div>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent
                                            from my iPhone</span></p>
                                      </div>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><br>
                                          On 8 Dec 2017, at 18:16,
                                          allison nixon <</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                          wrote:</span></p>
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                                      <div>
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                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Please
                                                clarify: "Sure… your
                                                pals are always innocent
                                                right?"</span></p>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span>On
                                                  Dec 8, 2017 12:03 PM,
                                                  "</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>"
                                                  <</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                  wrote:</span></p>
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                                            <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Criminals
                                                      were did that come
                                                      from???<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
                                                </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span> </span></p>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sent
                                                          from my iPhone</span></p>
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                                                    <div>
                                                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span><br>
                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 17:22,
                                                          allison nixon
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">elsakoo@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>>>
                                                          Sure… your
                                                          pals are
                                                          always
                                                          innocent
                                                          right?</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>>>
                                                          Lets just
                                                          agree that we
                                                          have different
                                                          viewpoints on
                                                          this.</span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I'm
                                                          assuming
                                                          you're
                                                          referencing
                                                          the earlier
                                                          defamation
                                                          against
                                                          spamhaus that
                                                          occurred on
                                                          this list,
                                                          apparently
                                                          without the
                                                          leadership of
                                                          this list
                                                          flagging it as
                                                          inappropriate?
                                                          Or are you
                                                          accusing
                                                          someone else
                                                          of being a
                                                          criminal?
                                                          Please do be
                                                          more specific.
                                                          It's better
                                                          when the
                                                          defamation is
                                                          explicit
                                                          rather than
                                                          inferred.</span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>On
                                                          Fri, Dec 8,
                                                          2017 at 1:48
                                                          AM,<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@no<wbr>rdreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:</span></p>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>Sure… your pals are always innocent
                                                          right?<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Lets just
                                                          agree that we
                                                          have different
                                                          viewpoints on
                                                          this.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">--</span><br>
                                                          <span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Med
                                                          vänliga
                                                          hälsningar /
                                                          Kind Regards /
                                                          Med vennlig
                                                          hilsen</span><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Benny
                                                          Samuelsen</span><br>
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                                                          638</span><br>
                                                          <span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683m-5306382646128905935im">Phone:</span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B46.42197000" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+46.42197000</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
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                                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span>>
                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 07:28, John
                                                          Bambenek <</span><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > Remind me
                                                          again, which
                                                          side of this
                                                          fight has been
                                                          disparaging
                                                          and defaming
                                                          the other
                                                          side? Please.
                                                          Its your pals
                                                          that have been
                                                          engaging in a
                                                          pattern of
                                                          sexism, not
                                                          mine.<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          > --<br>
                                                          > John
                                                          Bambenek<br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          >> On
                                                          Dec 8, 2017,
                                                          at 14:11, "</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>"
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >> No
                                                          it’s not about
                                                          you, it’s 
                                                          about the way
                                                          people form
                                                          the group you
                                                          apparently
                                                          represent have
                                                          been acting in
                                                          discussions.<br>
                                                          >> And
                                                          that have imo
                                                          been
                                                          manipulating
                                                          for making no
                                                          progress.<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >> Well
                                                          free privacy
                                                          whois isn't a
                                                          solution as
                                                          long as the
                                                          anti abuse
                                                          people states
                                                          that it will
                                                          create
                                                          problems for
                                                          the user.<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >> --<br>
                                                          >> Med
                                                          vänliga
                                                          hälsningar /
                                                          Kind Regards /
                                                          Med vennlig
                                                          hilsen<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >> Benny
                                                          Samuelsen<br>
                                                          >>
                                                          Registry
                                                          Manager -
                                                          Domainexpert<br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          >>
                                                          Nordreg AB -
                                                          ICANN
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                                                          >>
                                                          Direct:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B47.32260201" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+47.32260201</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
                                                          >>
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                                                          >><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          On 8 Dec 2017,
                                                          at 07:00, John
                                                          Bambenek <</span><a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          You seem to
                                                          think this is
                                                          about me and
                                                          not the dozens
                                                          of security
                                                          and anti-abuse
                                                          professionals
                                                          who have left
                                                          this list... I
                                                          am not sure
                                                          why you think
                                                          that.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          You also seem
                                                          to think by
                                                          saying I
                                                          haven't come
                                                          up with a
                                                          better
                                                          solution
                                                          (whois privacy
                                                          for free) or
                                                          that I support
                                                          that status
                                                          quo (I do
                                                          not), that it
                                                          makes it true.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          But it's also
                                                          when we talk
                                                          about exactly
                                                          those things
                                                          Chuck chimes
                                                          in to say we
                                                          aren't there
                                                          yet, which is
                                                          why I've
                                                          refrained.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>> I
                                                          will be
                                                          contributing
                                                          once we are
                                                          talking about
                                                          those issues
                                                          as I have been
                                                          contributing
                                                          in ways
                                                          outside your
                                                          visibility up
                                                          to this point.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>>
                                                          But that
                                                          doesn't
                                                          mitigate or
                                                          change the
                                                          conduct of
                                                          members of
                                                          this list who
                                                          have engaged
                                                          in a pattern
                                                          of bullying,
                                                          manipulation,
                                                          and sexism to
                                                          try to make
                                                          their point.
                                                          It has not
                                                          gone
                                                          unnoticed.<br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >>> j<br>
>>>> On 12/07/2017 11:42 PM,<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>wrote:<br>
>>>> Sorry to point it out but imo you have bullied yourself
                                                          of the buss
                                                          with not
                                                          wanting to
                                                          contribute to
                                                          a new solution
                                                          where you can
                                                          exist but in
                                                          same time we
                                                          can make a
                                                          better
                                                          solution
                                                          overall which
                                                          not equal
                                                          Status Quo.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>> On 7 Dec 2017, at 22:17, John Bambenek via
                                                          gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                                          <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> The question has never been asked directly. So you
                                                          want to get me
                                                          on the bus,
                                                          ask the
                                                          question, as I
                                                          have phrased
                                                          it           
                                                           directly.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> But considering almost all the anti-abuse and
                                                          security types
                                                          have more or
                                                          less been
                                                          bullied off
                                                          the bus, does
                                                          it really
                                                          matter
                                                          anymore?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> j<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 12/07/2017 03:01 PM, theo geurts wrote:<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by Hamilton.<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by the Dutch DPA.<br>
>>>>>> And as confirmed by WP29.<br>
>>>>>> John, why do we keep having this conversation?<br>
>>>>>> What do we need to do here to get you on the
                                                          bus, so we do
                                                          not get under
                                                          the bus?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Theo<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 7-12-2017 21:41, Ayden Férdeline wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> No, not necessarily. The criteria for
                                                          obtaining
                                                          valid,
                                                          freely-given
                                                          consent is
                                                          demanding, and
                                                          one cannot be
                                                          asked to
                                                          consent to
                                                          processing
                                                          that is
                                                          otherwise
                                                          unlawful. We
                                                          were told in
                                                          the first
                                                          legal memo
                                                          from WSGR that
                                                          consent is not
                                                          a silver
                                                          bullet here.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> — Ayden<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------<br>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Article
                                                          29 Working
                                                          Party to ICANN<br>
>>>>>>>> Local Time: 7 December 2017 8:18 PM<br>
>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 7 December 2017 20:18<br>
>>>>>>>> From:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.or<wbr>g</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>> To: Volker Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span>><br>
>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann<wbr>.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> This interpretation is wrong. The
                                                          latter clearly
                                                          says that
                                                          consent in the
                                                          current system
                                                          is not clearly
                                                          given. If a
                                                          domain holder
                                                          had the free
                                                          and informed
                                                          option to
                                                          publish
                                                          information in
                                                          whois or not
                                                          THIS ISSUE IS
                                                          SOLVED.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>> John Bambenek<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2017, at 17:59, Volker
                                                          Greimann <</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span>>
                                                          wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Michele,<br>
>>>>>>>>> I read this a final and very clear
                                                          warning from
                                                          the European
                                                          DPAs to ICANN
                                                          and its
                                                          contracted
                                                          parties to
                                                          stop messing
                                                          about and
                                                          start getting
                                                          ready in time
                                                          for May 25.
                                                          The references
                                                          to previous
                                                          notices make
                                                          it very clear
                                                          that there
                                                          will be no 
                                                          consideration
                                                          given after
                                                          that date.
                                                          While the
                                                          letter
                                                          contains
                                                          nothing new to
                                                          anyone who has
                                                          paid any
                                                          attention, it
                                                          is very clear
                                                          in its
                                                          message:
                                                          Public Whois
                                                          is illegal in
                                                          its current
                                                          shape and
                                                          form, and
                                                          there is no
                                                          way to make it
                                                          legal without
                                                          making it
                                                          non-public.<br>
>>>>>>>>> Best,<br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 06.12.2017 um 21:49 schrieb
                                                          Michele Neylon
                                                          - Blacknight:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> All<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd highly recommend that you
                                                          take the time
                                                          to read the
                                                          latest letter
                                                          from the
                                                          Article 29
                                                          Working Party
                                                          to ICANN:<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/falque-pierrotin-to-chalaby-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://www.icann.o<wbr>rg/en/system/files/corresponde<wbr>nce/falque-pierrotin-to-chalab<wbr>y-marby-06Dec17-en.pdf</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> (also attached)<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> For clarity the Article 29 WP
                                                          represents the
                                                          views of the
                                                          DPAs of the EU
                                                          member states.
                                                          In many
                                                          instances DPAs
                                                          will address
                                                          their concerns
                                                          via this group
                                                          rather than
                                                          individually.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Michele<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Solutions<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Hosting, Colocation &
                                                          Domains<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://www.blackni<wbr>ght.com/</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://blacknight.<wbr>blog/</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://ceo.hosting<wbr>/</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+353 (0)59 9183090</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------<wbr>-<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions
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>>>>>>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
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>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@ica<wbr>nn.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://mm.icann.or<wbr>g/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pd<wbr>p-wg</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir
                                                          Ihnen gerne
                                                          zur Verfügung.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br>
>>>>>>>>> - Rechtsabteilung -<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">Im
                                                          Oberen Werk 1</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">66386
                                                          St. Ingbert</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Tel.:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Fax.:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Email:<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-system<wbr>s.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Web:<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><wbr>/<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.rrpproxy.net/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.RRPproxy.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.domaindiscount24<wbr>.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>/<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.brandshelter.com/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.BrandShelter.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder
                                                          werden Sie
                                                          unser Fan bei
                                                          Facebook:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.facebook.com/Key<wbr>Systems</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.twitter.com/key_<wbr>systems</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin<br>
>>>>>>>>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 -
                                                          Saarbruecken<br>
>>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.keydrive.lu</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist
                                                          vertraulich
                                                          und nur für
                                                          den
                                                          angegebenen
                                                          Empfänger
                                                          bestimmt. Jede
                                                          Form der
                                                          Kenntnisgabe,
Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist
                                                          unzulässig.
                                                          Sollte diese
                                                          Nachricht
                                                          nicht für Sie
                                                          bestimmt sein,
                                                          so bitten wir
                                                          Sie, sich mit
                                                          uns per E-Mail
                                                          oder
                                                          telefonisch in
                                                          Verbindung zu
                                                          setzen.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------<wbr>--------------<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Should you have any further
                                                          questions,
                                                          please do not
                                                          hesitate to
                                                          contact us.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann<br>
>>>>>>>>> - legal department -<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">Im
                                                          Oberen Werk 1</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=Im+Oberen+Werk+1+%0D+%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E%3E+66386+St.+Ingbert&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">66386
                                                          St. Ingbert</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Tel.:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Fax.:<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>> Email:<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-system<wbr>s.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Web:<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.key-systems.net/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.key-systems.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span><wbr>/<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.rrpproxy.net/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.RRPproxy.net</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.domaindiscount24<wbr>.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>/<span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.brandshelter.com/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.BrandShelter.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Follow us on Twitter or join our
                                                          fan community
                                                          on Facebook
                                                          and stay
                                                          updated:<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.facebook.com/Key<wbr>Systems</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.twitter.com/key_systems" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.twitter.com/key_<wbr>systems</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin<br>
>>>>>>>>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 -
                                                          Saarbruecken<br>
>>>>>>>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu/" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">www.keydrive.lu</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> This e-mail and its attachments is
                                                          intended only
                                                          for the person
                                                          to whom it is
                                                          addressed.
                                                          Furthermore it
                                                          is not
                                                          permitted to
                                                          publish any
                                                          content of
                                                          this email.
                                                          You must not
                                                          use, disclose,
                                                          copy, print or
                                                          rely on this
                                                          e-mail. If an
                                                          addressing or
                                                          transmission
                                                          error has
                                                          misdirected
                                                          this e-mail,
                                                          kindly notify
                                                          the author by
                                                          replying to
                                                          this e-mail or
                                                          contacting us
                                                          by telephone.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@ican<wbr>n.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://mm.icann.org<wbr>/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp<wbr>-wg</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.<wbr>org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://mm.icann.org/m<wbr>ailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-w<wbr>g</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.or<wbr>g</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
>>>>><span class="m_5252326277269475073m_-7531859504219058334m_2746340775783426683apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://mm.icann.org/mai<wbr>lman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
                                                          >>><br>
                                                          >><br>
                                                          ><br>
                                                          <br>
______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br>
                                                          </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><br>
                                                          </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank"><span><span style="color:purple">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/l<wbr>istinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></span><span></span></a><span></span></p>
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                                                          Note to self:
                                                          Pillage BEFORE
                                                          burning.</span></p>
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