<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I thought it was clear that we carry the work in phases. <div class="">> Identify the need of data to be collected and agreed upon</div><div class="">> Second revisit the data to be collected and then apply the GDPR and other privacy laws </div><div class="">> Then whether they would be gated access or not that requires law enforcement etc.,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Guys we can move these. Let’s push the second and third areas. The whole is to see whether and what are the needs for these data and also ensuring by the same way the authenticity of those data in second phase we may then need to know what data rest where but as far as i followed let’s not fall in the re-questioning we will get there eventually. But please bear in mind that this work has been around years and we also do not have enough time to reach the deadlines from law enforcement groups.<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 9, 2018, at 18:38, Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" class="">consult@cgomes.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">For our purposes in our WG at this point in time, whether or not Whois is a necessary element in Certification is only essential for us to decide if it has an impact on the proposed WG agreement: “</span><i class=""><span style="color: windowtext;" class="">Domain Name Certification is NOT a legitimate purpose for requiring collection of registration data, but may be a legitimate purpose for using some data collected for other purposes. (Access requirements to be deliberated at a later stage.)</span></i><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Chuck<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></a></div><span class=""></span><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Greg Shatan<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, January 8, 2018 7:38 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Domain Name Certification was Re: Proposed Agenda for RDS PDP WG Meeting - 9 January at 17.00 UTC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Based on the responses from Greg A. And John, it seems that the statement that WHOIS is not a necessary element in Certification is factually incorrect. I'm not sure that we anywhere near agreement to the contrary. I would be quite uncomfortable with the idea that we are agreeing on something counter factual and that reality is being relegated to a dissent. I'm also not sure that the nose-counting or voting or (preferably) consensus-building is done to the point where one point of view can be characterized as "the dissent."<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Greg<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 8:49 PM John Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I recognize that the term Certification can have multiple meanings and apply in different contexts (e.g., the CAB Forum guidelines for issuing certs involve a very different type of circumstance than my company’s, LegitScript’s, certification), but just a note that there are various accreditation and certification authorities out there, including LegitScript, that also verify that the Whois is a) not privacy protected, b) accurate and c) has a logical nexus to the business in question, and d) extensively use reverse Whois to assess the applicant’s other business activities, as part of a certification process that includes anti-AML protection. Valid, accurate Whois is actually one of our eleven standards for certification, and if we weren’t able to 1) access the Whois and 2) conduct a full reverse Whois query of those details, the accuracy of certification would suffer. Conversely, in our world, we’ve seen entities certified by other (less rigorous) companies where the underlying brick-and-mortar pharmacy was valid, but the applicant piggybacked onto the relationship to launder money for nefarious purposes, and a simple Whois check revealed the illicit relationships. So: for certification, which includes anti-money laundering protections, we certainly need Whois as well as a rigorous reverse Whois function. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">JCH<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 5:31 PM Greg Aaron <<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">gca@icginc.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-width: 1pt; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a name="m_763783284127286766_m_-8351687460015228" class="">In the CAB Forum guidelines for issuing certs, use of WHOIS records is important. WHOIS records may not be the only way to obtain a cert, but in practice they are a main way to do so because WHOIS is an official and referenceable record. David says that “CAs are required to validate using information sources outside the RDS” but that does not mean that data in the RDS isn’t used or needed.</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-1.5.1-redlined.pdf" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://cabforum.org/wp-content/uploads/CA-Browser-Forum-BR-1.5.1-redlined.pdf</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">3.2.2.4.5 Domain Authorization Document<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Confirming the Applicant's control over the requested FQDN by relying upon the attestation to the authority of the Applicant to request a Certificate contained in a Domain Authorization Document. The Domain Authorization Document MUST substantiate that the communication came from<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">the Domain Contact</b>. The CA MUST verify that the Domain Authorization Document was either (i) dated on or after the date of the domain validation request or (ii<b class="">) that the WHOIS data has not materially changed</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>since a previously provided Domain Authorization Document for the Domain Name Space.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From the definitions section:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in;" class=""><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Domain Authorization Document: Documentation provided by, or a CA’s documentation of a communication with, a Domain Name Registrar, the Domain Name Registrant, or the person or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">entity listed in WHOIS</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>as the Domain Name Registrant (including any private, anonymous, or proxy registration service) attesting to the authority of an Applicant to request a Certificate for a specific Domain Namespace.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b class="">Domain Contact: The Domain Name Registrant, technical contact, or administrative contract (or the equivalent under a ccTLD) as listed in the WHOIS record of the Base Domain Name or in a DNS SOA record.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Domain Name Registrant: Sometimes referred to as the “owner” of a Domain Name, but more properly the person(s) or entity(ies) registered with a Domain Name Registrar as having the right to control how a Domain Name is used, such as the natural person or Legal<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">Entity that is listed as the “Registrant” by WHOIS or the Domain Name Registrar</b>. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">[emphases mine]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">If contact data is not available in RDS, that will certainly place additional work on registrars, who will need to verify or vouch for their registrants to the CAs.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">**********************************</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Greg Aaron</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">Vice-President, Product Management</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">iThreat Cyber Group /<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://cybertoolbelt.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Cybertoolbelt.com</a></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">mobile: +1.215.858.2257</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">**********************************</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;" class="">The information contained in this message is privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. 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I want to address those arguments, so it is clear that they were not ignored. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>John Bambenek stated that “the entire underpinning of TLS encryption requires validation of requesters and domain name owners.” - while there are some arguments about the detail of that statement (regarding the validation of domain based certificates, which require only validation of domain name control), its roughly correct - but the real issue here is that John’s commennt does not address the primary argument, which is that (according to CAB Forum rules) CAs are required to validate using information sources outside the RDS, and as such, removing information which would be of only advisory value to the validation process of organisation and Extended Validation certificates should have no significant effect on the validation of the certificates that underpin TLS. See section 11.2.2 * <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Where John’s argument may be interpreted as an argument against the use of domain validation certificates, which do not attempt to validate based on identity of owners or ownership, but only on de facto control, the argument is outside the scope of the charter of this working group. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Similarly, the comments from Tim O’Brien that ‘for Organisational and Extended Validation to work, this information needs to be collected’, seem to directly contradict the CAB Forum rules that directly state that for Organisational and Extended Validation, the CA must not rely on information from the RDS. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>The comments from Rob Golding that '“entity that controls the domain name” does not imply domain name registrant, and so conflates two different entities unnecessarily’ is not I think correct, I think rather the opposite - Extended Validation certificates specifically do not attempt to guarantee that the certificate applicant IS the domain name registrant, but rather that they have a right to control it (note primary purpose of EV Cert 2.1.1 (1), and Warranties 7.1.C, and explicit wording ‘owned or controlled by’ in 9.2.2). So there is no conflation, rather a precise distinguishing between the purpose of RDS data (which relates to registrant), and the purpose of EV etc Certificates. Domain certificates are a different case, in that they are generally validated by the de facto demonstration of domain name control only - which again, is not guaranteed to be the registrant. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Two people suggested modifications to the text. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Rod Rasmussen suggests that Domain Name Certification may be a legitimate purpose for optional collection of registration data at the request of the registrant. While it is hard to argue unambiguously against such a limited statement, I am not sure that even in such a form it is true. It is hard to see how even a very optional form of data could be legitimately used by a CA for validation, given the explicit rules against doing so. Rod, if you have a specific example in mind I’d be interested - otherwise it would seem to be somewhat speculative. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Maxim Alzoba suggests that the ambiguity between use and collection could create a problem (specifically with the GDPR), and suggests we reword to avoid this issue. While I disagree with the argument, more importantly I think we should revisit this when we address access issues, rather than confuse the issue of our discussion of collection. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">*<span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>[all references to rules here from CA/B Forum Guidelines For The Issuance And Management Of Extended Validation Certificates, version 1.6.5]<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Regards <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>David<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 9 Jan 2018, at 1:06 am, Lisa Phifer <<a href="mailto:lisa@corecom.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">lisa@corecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear all,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The next GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group meeting will take place on Tuesday 9 January 2018 at 17:00 UTC.<span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The proposed agenda (below) and meeting materials (attached) are also posted on the meeting page:<span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/QgByB" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/QgByB</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Lisa<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 7.5pt 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class="">PROPOSED AGENDA – RDS PDP WG Call on<span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Tuesday 9 January 2018 at 17:00 UTC</b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">1. Roll Call/SOI Updates<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">2. Complete deliberation on data required for Domain Name Management<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> a. Review poll results from 20 December call Question 2<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> b. Finalize agreement on data required for Domain Name Management<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">3. Complete deliberation on Domain Name Certification<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> a. Review poll results from 20 December call Question 3<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> b. Finalize agreement on Domain Name Certification as a legitimate purpose<span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">4. Start deliberation on “Criminal Activity/ DNS Abuse – Investigation”<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">5. Confirm action items and proposed decision points<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">6. Confirm next WG meeting: Tuesday, 16 January at 17:00 UTC<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Meeting Materials</b>:<span class="m763783284127286766m-8351687460015228929apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/QgByB" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="color: purple;" class="">https://community.icann.org/x/QgByB</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Note: Attached call handout includes poll results and the definitions produced by DT7<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><Handout-9January-RDSWGCall-v3.pdf><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br class=""></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: purple;" class="">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; 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