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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Thanks for forwarding this Greg. To add the quote you provided I want to also call attention to footnote 5: “<span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Such public interests include, for instance, ensuring cybersecurity and the stability of the internet, preventing and fighting crime, protecting intellectual property and copyright, or enforcing consumer protection measures.</span>”<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>This is very relevant to our meeting agenda today and last week’s poll.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Mounier, Grégory [mailto:gregory.mounier@europol.europa.eu] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 29, 2018 11:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck <consult@cgomes.com>; 'nathalie coupet' <nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc:</b> 'RDS PDP WG' <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> @EXT: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 24 January Meeting<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id="gw_reply"><div id="gw_reply"><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Dear Nathalie, dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="gw_reply"><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Please see attached a letter sent by the European Commission to ICANN CEO which clarifies a couple of points regarding the GDPR and might shed some lights on the current discussion of the WG on purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>‘To ensure transparency and fairness in the processing of WHOIS Data, it is of utmost importance that ICANN clearly specified the different purposes for processing, including the pursuit of certain public policy objectives in the legitimate interest of the controller or third parties(...)´.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#1F497D'><br>Gregory Mounier<br>EC3 Outreach<br>+31 6 55 78 27 43<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:5.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com">consult@cgomes.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Date: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Sunday, 28 Jan 2018, 3:18 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>To: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>'nathalie coupet' <<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>'RDS PDP WG' <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Subject: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt'>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 24 January Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Nathalie,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am curious as to what ‘course’ you think the WG has taken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> nathalie coupet [<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com">mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] FW: IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 24 January Meeting<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry for missing the call. There’s one more legitimate use for processing: verification of the trustworthiness of a website. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Also, a psychological use: online accountability. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>They are legitimate purpose, but it doesn’t necessarily mean that personal data should be processed, just because they are legitimate uses for third parties. The data subject’s rights to privacy should come into the balance to temper the ‘legitimacy’ of third party uses.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If not, the GDPR is absolutely worthless and I think it would be going too far in the other direction.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There’s an imbalance in our group: we barely have any end-users and website owners. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This really jeopardizes our work and is too one-sided. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t know why stakeholders who vote against their own interests and in favor of a solution that would take into account the rights of people who don’t even show up (the general public) to defend their own interests. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I try to imagine a contract where I, the registrant, would be forced to accept any and all ‘legitimate’ third party uses of my data, as defined by a variety of private interest that do not take any n consideration my right to protect my PPI. It would definitely be abuse. It’s tantamount to negating an individual’s right to privacy...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But if third party rights derive from obligations and duties I must abide by, then I must consent to them, and third parties have then rights that are the reverse side of my obligations. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>For example, if I have a duty of care, proper use and prohibition to use my website to do harm, then third parties have a right to enforce their legitimate use of protecting their or their client’s property by having my PPI processed for their benefit.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This takes into account the spirit and the letter of the GDPR. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The course taken by this WG negates the existence of the GDPR and it’s attempt to give more control over PPI to data subject.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Nathalie <o:p></o:p></p><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jan 26, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com">consult@cgomes.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>Please remember to complete this week’s poll not later than <b><span style='color:red'>COB Saturday 27 January.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lisa Phifer<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 24, 2018 7:01 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] IMPORTANT: Invitation for Poll from 24 January Meeting<br><b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>In follow-up to this week’s WG meeting, <b>all RDS PDP WG Members</b> are encouraged to participate in the following poll:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'><a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LQC2YJH">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LQC2YJH</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-indent:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Responses should be submitted through the above URL. For offline reference, a PDF of poll questions can also be found at:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/74580038/Poll-from-24January-Call.pdf">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/74580038/Poll-from-24January-Call.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>This poll will close at <span style='color:red'>COB Saturday 27 January</span>. </b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please note that you <u>must be a WG Member</u> to participate in polls. If you are a WG Observer wishing to participate in polls, you must first contact <a href="mailto:gnso-secs@icann.org">gnso-secs@icann.org</a> to upgrade to WG Member.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Lisa<o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><Untitled attachment 00003.txt><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>*******************<br><br>DISCLAIMER : This message is sent in confidence and is only intended for the named recipient. 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