<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Well, the other thing there would be whether (picking random countries here to use an example) if I'm a US citizen and resident (which I in fact am), can I avail myself of Panamanian privacy laws by choosing a privacy/proxy service that displays a Panama address? I'd presume we'd all agree that's not the intent. (My assumption is that eNom's privacy service is a separate corporation registered in Panama, but again, that's a guess.)</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</font><div><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" width="96" height="36"><br><div><p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><b><font color="#444444">Follow</font><font color="#0b5394"> </font><font color="#000000">Legit</font><font color="#0b5394">Script</font></b>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#cc0000">LinkedIn</font></a> | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#6aa84f">Facebook</font></a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#674ea7">Twitter</font></a> | <font color="#ff9900"><u><a href="http://blog.legitscript.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Blog</a></u></font> |<font color="#ff9900"> <a href="http://go.legitscript.com/Subscription-Management.html" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#ff9900">Newsletter</font></a></font><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><br></font></p><p style="text-align:left;margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><img src="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png" width="46" height="96"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ" width="47" height="96"><br></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:02 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">INteresting. And it
does appear they have some data protection provisions in their
E-Commerce bill, updated in 2016, but the summary I read
sounded more like data retention requirements that data
protection, so I would not count them until proven otherwise.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">cheer Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="m_-400122026943053922moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-02-13 13:49, John Horton wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Re:
Panama -- my guess is eNom's privacy/proxy service? I don't
think it's actually registrants based in Panama -- my guess is
that the data just cited probably only accounts for the
country in the Whois field (so if it's p/p it's not
necessarily identifying the registrant's actual country --
would be interesting to exclude p/p Whois records to see what
the data show). In the same vein, DomainsByProxy is generally
(always?) US, I think, but I'd assume that there are
registrants in other countries using DBP. Just a guess. </div>
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Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca</a>></span>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Japan and
Canada have legislation, add another 7.7, I am
looking up Panama to check. I am confident that in
the block of other countries (24.6) there will be
quite a few with DP law. (PS why on earth does
Panama have such a large registration? retired
Americans? Favorable liability laws?)</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie<br>
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2018-02-13 13:36, Volker Greimann wrote:<br>
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<p>That brings us back to the question whether we would
want a unified DNS system or a fractured one. I
personally think 14% of the worlds registrations are
quite a significant number, but even if you do not,
does this mean you would prefer fragmentation of
policies and rules?<br>
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<div class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428moz-cite-prefix">Am
13.02.2018 um 19:18 schrieb John Horton via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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<div>On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 10:09 AM Greg Aaron
<<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank">gca@icginc.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">What are the
jurisdictions where gTLD registrants are
located? The stats indicate that </span>a
distinct minority of gTLD registrations
and registrants may qualify for GDPR
protection. According to ICANN’s metrics,
14% of registrants are in the EU. The top
jurisdictions are:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">USA
41.0%</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">EU countries
14.0%</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">China
9.4%</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Canada
4.2%</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Japan
3.5%</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Panama
3.3%</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[other
24.6%]</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">These stats don’t tell
us exactly how many registrations might
involve GDPR (affecting that are the
jurisdictions of the various parties
involved in any given registartion, the
fact that legal person in the EU are not
due the same protection as natural
persons, etc.). Still, that 14% is
interesting. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The European Commission
itself recently told ICANN that solutions
can and should be balanced, to “preserve
the proper use of WHOIS while ensuring
full compliance with the (current and
future) EU data protection rules”, and
that GDPR only applies to the personal
data of natural persons in the EU. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So, what justifies
extending a particular protection regime
(baseline) to all registrants worldwide,
especially when a technical system can
support situational-based needs?
Over-compliance is not necessary, and
over-compliance erodes the proper use of
WHOIS. I suggest that a proper solution
is to enable compliance with a rule in the
situations in which the rule applies. The
proper solution is not to over-apply a
rule, or to apply the rule where it does
not have power. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">All best,</p>
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gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]
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<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs.
lawful</span></p>
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<p>More than half the countries in the world
now have comprehensive data protection
laws, and the number grows every year. We
found that in our research of foundation
documents at the start of this WG. The
tipping point took place in 2015. As it
happens, Volker's approach simply does
take this perspective into account. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/13/2018 11:04
AM, Dotzero wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Volker,
you assert that "it would be
sensible to take GDPR as a basis and
start from there". Perhaps sensible
from your perspective and easier
from your perspective but ICANN is
an international organization -
primarily dealing with
technical/administrative issues -
and it MUST take an approach that,
as best it can, accommodates the
laws and practices of various
jurisdictions around the world. Your
proposed approach, quite simply does
not do that.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 13,
2018 at 10:54 AM, Volker Greimann
<<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
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<p>I think that it would be
sensible to take the GDPR as a
basis and start from there.
Obviously, where it conflicts
with other applicable laws, we
should make sure to accomodate
those as well, but as the EU
Commission and others have
pointed out is that compliance
with GDPR does not preclude
providing certain access levels
to certain parties. What those
levels would be and who those
parties could be should be the
main focus of our work. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am
13.02.2018 um 15:41
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Are you saying that you think that RDS policies
should be designed to
comply with European
regulations and then
applied to all other
jurisdictions in the
world?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext">
Volker Greimann [</span><a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.<wbr>net</a><span style="color:windowtext">] <br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, February
13, 2018 5:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chuck </span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><consult@cgomes.com></a><span style="color:windowtext">; 'Michael Palage' </span><a href="mailto:michael@palage.com" target="_blank"><michael@palage.com></a><span style="color:windowtext"><br>
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Legal basis vs.
lawful</span></p>
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<p>I am afraid that if we
create different
policies for different
regions, we will break
the model, encourage
forum shopping and
encourage firewalling of
entire geographic
sections of the net. I
hope that is not what we
are doing here. </p>
<p>GDPR will cause some
breakage of this and I
see it as our mission to
fix this breakage of the
standard by proposing a
unified model once
again. </p>
<p>Ultimately, if this
solution does what the
EU has been asking for,
e.g. protect legitimate
use cases of
registration data as
well as the rights of
the data subjects, there
is no reason why it
should not be
universally applicable.
</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
WG could recommend
policies that are
‘universally
applicable to all
registrations’ but I
seriously doubt that
will happen in today’s
world. That would be
much simpler than
policies that vary by
region and users, but
is it realistic?</p>
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gnso-rds-pdp-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker
Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Monday, February
12, 2018 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael
Palage <a href="mailto:michael@palage.com" target="_blank"><michael@palage.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Legal basis vs.
lawful</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Michael
is right. ICANN iOS
based on the thought
of “One World; one
Internet”. This also
means that the
policies it creates
should be universally
applicable to all
registrations, if
possible. IF we start
creating policy that
diverges, that would
only lead to further
fragmentation and
undermine the founding
ideal of ICANN itself.
Our aim should be to
create one policy that
can be applied to all
or most registrations
and that can be
implemented by all
registrars alike. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While
we will likely have
a certain amount of
fragmentation
following May 25 as
each contracted
party applies its
own solution, it
should be our goal
to overcome this and
present a new
unified policy that
works for all
contracted parties. </p>
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12. Feb 2018,
at 20:27,
Michael Palage
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<p class="MsoNormal">I
will
respectfully
push back on
your legal
over
simplification
of the GDPR.</p>
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in Article 3
is NOT just
limited to EU
residents/citizens. As Michele has noted in the past, the GDPR requires
BlackKnight as
an Irish legal
entity to
protect all of
its customers
data
(EU/Non-EU) in
compliance
with GDPR, as
well as US
entities that
target and
conduct
business
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now
your points
about the
distinction
between
natural and
legal persons
is a fair one
and one that
has been noted
in EU and Art
29
communications.
Could you
please share
the basis of
your
proposition
that 97% of
all domain
name
registrations
are registered
by legal
entities.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As
I have note
previously the
long term
viability of
the ICANN
multi-stakeholder
model is at
risk as
national
governments
continue to
pass national
laws that
impact the
operation of
the Internet.
However, the
European Union
is NOT alone
in advancing
Privacy
Legislation,
in fact data
localization
is perhaps the
next biggest
lurking threat
to the domain
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regards,</p>
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[<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</a>]<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John
Horton via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
February 12,
2018 1:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Greg
Aaron <<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com" target="_blank">gca@icginc.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs. lawful</p>
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Greg is right
on. There's
simply no
justification
to force a law
that is only
intended to
apply to a) EU
residents/citizens that are b) natural persons not using the domain name
for commercial
purposes, to
the
remaining...what? 97% - 99% of the world's registrant population? That
would be a
balanced way
to implement
all of this. </span></p>
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is based on
one
principle. It
states what is
legal. It's
explicit about
what you _are
allowed to
do_; granted
there’s some
flexibility
and room for
interpretation.
It’s like
saying what’s
inside a box.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">U.S.
law is one
based on
different
principles.
AFAIK U.S.
consumer
protection law
does not
enumerate
specifically
what is
lawful.
Instead it
tends to state
what is
illegal, what
you are _not
allowed to
do_. It’s
like saying
what’s outside
the box. The
U.S. doesn’t
have something
like GDPR that
spells out
legal bases
for collecting
data, i.e. the
enumerated
allowable
reasons.
Instead the
trade and
consumer
protection
laws basically
say: entities
have the right
to form
contracts
between
themselves,
they should
live up to the
contract,
don’t surprise
people, don’t
do certain
dishonest
things. <span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here's
the problem:
if one makes
the GDPR
principle the
ICANN standard
and you apply
it to all
registrations,
then practices
that are
allowable in
one place
under the law
(like the
U.S.) would no
longer be
allowed there
by ICANN
policy.
ICANN would
be choosing
one legal
approach or
regime for
everyone in
the world. <span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
alternative is
to apply the
GDRP only to
those that it
is designed to
protect:
registrants
in the EU.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">For
example,
there’s
nothing in
U.S. law that
prohibits a
U.S. registrar
from having a
contract that
says
publication of
full contact
data in WHOIS
is a
condition of
registering a
domain name if
you are a
registrant in
the U.S.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://iapp.org/news/a/explaining-the-gdpr-to-an-american/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">https://iapp.org/news/a/ex<wbr>plaining-the-gdpr-to-an-americ<wbr>an/</span></a>
for more.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
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Behalf Of<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Silver,
Bradley via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
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<b>To:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Volker
Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>>;<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">g<wbr>nso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs. lawful</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">It is true that the GDPR is prescriptive, although
also rather
open-ended
(hence our
current
pickle). But
regardless of
the term we
use, don’t we
arrive at the
same place:
which is that
if something
that requires
a legal basis
is done
without one,
it will be
unlawful?
Using Kathy’s
example, if
data is
processed
without
complying with
minimization
or purpose
principles,
will such
processing not
run afoul of
the law, and
hence be
unlawful? <span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">There are important distinctions between the
meaning of
“legal basis”
which implies
that a law
requires
something to
be
affirmatively
present,
versus
“lawful”,
which means
that something
is not
prohibited by
law.
Ultimately
though, isn’t
“lawfulness”,
the same end
point,
regardless? <span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
[</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:purple">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounce<wbr>s@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker
Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
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2018 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs. lawful</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I
do not see
how. Kathy's
analysis seems
sound. The
flexibility
within the
GDPR still
only allows
processing in
very specific
cicumstances,
all of which
are listed in
the GDPR.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am
09.02.2018 um
16:45 schrieb
Victoria
Sheckler:</p>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kathy’s
analysis
breaks down on
a practical
level when one
looks at the
GDPR and what
it says about
when data can
be processed.
The GDPR
allows for
flexibility
for what can
be processed
and when, and
kathy’s
analysis
overlooks that
point.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
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Behalf Of<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kathy
Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
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<b>To:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs. lawful</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tx
for the
invitation to
join, Chuck,
and following
up on the
discussion of
Sam and
Tapani, let me
add that
criteria for
processing
must be
clearer than
something
broadly within
ICANN's
mission
statement and
something
permissible
somewhere. The
requirements
under law are
express and
concrete.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Specifically,
GDPR Article
5(1)(b and c)
states:</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>Personal data shall be:<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
2.
"collected for<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><u>specified,
explicit and
legitimate
purposes<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></u>and
not further
processed in a
manner that is
incompatible
with those
purposes"</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>(the
"purpose
limitation")
AND<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><b><br>
3.
"adequate,
relevant and
limited to
what is
necessary in
relation to
the purposes
for which they
are processed"</b><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>(the
"data
minimisation"
requirement).
[underline
added]<b><br>
</b><br>
Thus, our
first criteria
of "consistent
with ICANN's
mission," is
only the first
step and we
need to go
further than
even the 3
criteria we
are
discussing..<br>
<br>
Second, lawful
and legal
enter us into
a debate over
words and I
have to agree
with Sam and
Tapani's
analysis and
let me add
some of my
own.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
"Legal" is the
term we use
for actions
expressly
allowed under
law. How we
process
personal data
under the GDRP
falls into
this category
-- of
processing
expressly
allowed under
law. Whereas
the term
lawful is used
for a much
broader
category of
actions which
are generally
permissible
and allowable.<br>
<br>
The term
"legal" is
much more
consistent
with our
criteria
statement
because the
processing of
personal data
by ICANN must
clearly have a<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><i>valid
legal basis</i><span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span>as
expressly
defined by
data
protection
laws.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
Best regards,<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Kathy<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
On 2/7/2018
10:53 AM, Sam
Lanfranco
wrote:</p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thanks
Tapani,</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I will extract from your longer message.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
I deliberately
kept my brief
and less
technical.<br>
I think we are
in agreement
here and I
support your
position.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#660000">On 2/7/2018 1:07 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:<br>
<br>
The key
distinction,
as I
understand it,
is that
"lawful" would
be<br>
defined by
the negative,
everything
that some law
does not
prohibit,<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:#660000">where as "legal
basis" is
defined by the
positive, only
things whose<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
justification
can be
explicitly
derived from
law.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<br>
<......><br>
<br>
So I would
prefer "legal
basis"
specifically
in this sense:
that any
processing<br>
would have to
be explicitly
based on one
of the
criteria, or
bases, as
listed<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
in GDPR
Article 6, or
similar
explicit
justification
in other data
protection
legislation.<span class="m_-400122026943053922m_-8148602614572384428m_-7901353447693506514m692055522894869952apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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