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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">John’s point is a fair one: the risk levels are very different. Comparing social security numbers to phone numbers is an apples-to-oranges comparison.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">A logical conclusion is that folks should be very concerned about the information security practices at their registrars, which is where the most sensitive data is collected and stored. Anyone up for inserting
better security requirements into the RAA? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling <chris@netearth.net>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Fwd: Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>My personal data WAS stolen in the Equifax breach. People can do real fraud with that. My point is that having my address, phone number and email his radically different risks than financial information. That is the only point I was making.<o:p></o:p></p>
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be singing a different tune.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 13 February, 2018 16:48:27<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Let's be honest here, we're talking about phone numbers and email addresses. The threat model is RADICALLY different with the data we are talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Undeterred by the fact that noone has responded to my last post, I offer the following update to the Equifax breach to further illustrate my point. As many companies have found out, you don't
find out what you've got till it's gone.....a further reason for data minimization and short retention periods.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc</b><br>
Pwned credit-score biz quietly admits more info lost<br>
By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 13 Feb 2018 at 02:13<br>
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Last year, Equifax admitted <br>
<a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/</a><br>
hackers stole sensitive personal records on 145 million Americans and hundreds of thousands in the UK
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<a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/</a><br>
and Canada.<br>
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The outfit already said cyber-crooks "primarily" took names, social security numbers, birth dates, home addresses, credit-score dispute forms, and, in some instances, credit card numbers and driver license numbers. Now the credit-checking giant reckons the
intruders snatched even more information from its databases.<br>
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According to documents provided by Equifax to the US Senate Banking Committee, <br>
and <u>revealed this month by Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)</u>, <br>
<a href="https://apnews.com/2a51e3e5f9a945978df4ad96246b8ecc" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/2a51e3e5f9a945978df4ad96246b8ecc</a><br>
the attackers also grabbed taxpayer identification numbers, phone numbers, email addresses, and credit card expiry dates belonging to some Equifax customers.<br>
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Like social security numbers, taxpayer ID numbers are useful for fraudsters seeking to steal people's identities or their tax rebates, and the expiry dates are similarly useful for online crooks when linked with credit card numbers and other personal information.<br>
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<b>Contradictory</b><br>
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"As your company continues to issue incomplete, confusing and contradictory statements and hide information from Congress and the public, it is clear that five months after the breach was publicly announced, Equifax has yet to answer this simple question in
full: what was the precise extent of the breach?" Warren fumed in a missive late last week.<br>
<a href="https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2317" target="_blank">https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2317</a><br>
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Equifax spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti stressed to The Register today that the extra information snatched by hackers, as revealed by Senator Warren, belonged to "some" Equifax customers. In other words, not everyone had their phone numbers, email addresses,
and so on, slurped by crooks just some. How much is some? Equifax isn't saying, hence Warren's (and everyone else's) growing frustration.<br>
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The senator is a cosponsor of the <u>proposed Data Breach Prevention and Compensation Act,
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<a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/</a><br>
which, if passed, would impose computer security regulations on credit reporting agencies, with mandatory fines that would have led to Equifax coughing up $1.5bn for its IT blunder.<br>
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Some regulation or punishment is obviously needed.<br>
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No senior Equifax executives were fired over the attack instead the CEO, CSO and CIO were all allowed to retire with multi-million dollar golden parachutes. The US government's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau promised a full investigation into the Equifax
affair, and then gave up. On February 7, an open letter [PDF] <br>
<a href="https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf</a><br>
from 32 senators to the bureau asked why the probe was dropped, and the gang has yet to receive a response. ®</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">John’s point is a fair one: the risk levels are very different. Comparing social security numbers to phone numbers is an apples-to-oranges comparison.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">A logical conclusion is that folks should be very concerned about the information security practices at their registrars, which is where the most sensitive data is collected and stored. Anyone up for inserting
better security requirements into the RAA? ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Pelling <chris@netearth.net>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Fwd: Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>My personal data WAS stolen in the Equifax breach. People can do real fraud with that. My point is that having my address, phone number and email his radically different risks than financial information. That is the only point I was making.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please don't diss valid points John - I am sure if your personal information was stolen in this attack and they had your SSN/TIN, credit card number and expiry date, you would
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<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 13 February, 2018 16:48:27<br>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Let's be honest here, we're talking about phone numbers and email addresses. The threat model is RADICALLY different with the data we are talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Undeterred by the fact that noone has responded to my last post, I offer the following update to the Equifax breach to further illustrate my point. As many companies have found out, you don't
find out what you've got till it's gone.....a further reason for data minimization and short retention periods.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/13/equifax_security_breach_bad/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/13/equifax_security_breach_bad/</a><br>
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<b>Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc</b><br>
Pwned credit-score biz quietly admits more info lost<br>
By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 13 Feb 2018 at 02:13<br>
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Last year, Equifax admitted <br>
<a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/</a><br>
hackers stole sensitive personal records on 145 million Americans and hundreds of thousands in the UK
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<a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/</a><br>
and Canada.<br>
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The outfit already said cyber-crooks "primarily" took names, social security numbers, birth dates, home addresses, credit-score dispute forms, and, in some instances, credit card numbers and driver license numbers. Now the credit-checking giant reckons the
intruders snatched even more information from its databases.<br>
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According to documents provided by Equifax to the US Senate Banking Committee, <br>
and <u>revealed this month by Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)</u>, <br>
<a href="https://apnews.com/2a51e3e5f9a945978df4ad96246b8ecc" target="_blank">https://apnews.com/2a51e3e5f9a945978df4ad96246b8ecc</a><br>
the attackers also grabbed taxpayer identification numbers, phone numbers, email addresses, and credit card expiry dates belonging to some Equifax customers.<br>
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Like social security numbers, taxpayer ID numbers are useful for fraudsters seeking to steal people's identities or their tax rebates, and the expiry dates are similarly useful for online crooks when linked with credit card numbers and other personal information.<br>
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<b>Contradictory</b><br>
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"As your company continues to issue incomplete, confusing and contradictory statements and hide information from Congress and the public, it is clear that five months after the breach was publicly announced, Equifax has yet to answer this simple question in
full: what was the precise extent of the breach?" Warren fumed in a missive late last week.<br>
<a href="https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2317" target="_blank">https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2317</a><br>
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Equifax spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti stressed to The Register today that the extra information snatched by hackers, as revealed by Senator Warren, belonged to "some" Equifax customers. In other words, not everyone had their phone numbers, email addresses,
and so on, slurped by crooks just some. How much is some? Equifax isn't saying, hence Warren's (and everyone else's) growing frustration.<br>
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The senator is a cosponsor of the <u>proposed Data Breach Prevention and Compensation Act,
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<a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/" target="_blank">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/</a><br>
which, if passed, would impose computer security regulations on credit reporting agencies, with mandatory fines that would have led to Equifax coughing up $1.5bn for its IT blunder.<br>
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Some regulation or punishment is obviously needed.<br>
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No senior Equifax executives were fired over the attack instead the CEO, CSO and CIO were all allowed to retire with multi-million dollar golden parachutes. The US government's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau promised a full investigation into the Equifax
affair, and then gave up. On February 7, an open letter [PDF] <br>
<a href="https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf</a><br>
from 32 senators to the bureau asked why the probe was dropped, and the gang has yet to receive a response. ®</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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