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    <p>"only"? I think compliance with applicable laws is the bare
      minimum. However, once that is agreed, we can start figuring out
      what options there are for enabling legitimate uses within the
      confines of these laws. <br>
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    <p>Volker<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.02.2018 um 15:36 schrieb Victoria
      Sheckler:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Don’t at
            least some registrars already insist on only complying with
            their local laws?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
                style="color:windowtext"> gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 13, 2018 8:58 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Chuck <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com"><consult@cgomes.com></a>; 'Michael
                Palage' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michael@palage.com"><michael@palage.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs.
                lawful<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>I am afraid that if we create different policies for
          different regions, we will break the model, encourage forum
          shopping and encourage firewalling of entire geographic
          sections of the net. I hope that is not what we are doing
          here.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>GDPR will cause some breakage of this and I see it as our
          mission to fix this breakage of the standard by proposing a
          unified model once again.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Ultimately, if this solution does what the EU has been asking
          for, e.g. protect legitimate use cases of registration data as
          well as the rights of the data subjects, there is no reason
          why it should not be universally applicable.
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Am 13.02.2018 um 00:04 schrieb Chuck:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Volker,<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">The WG could recommend policies that are
            ‘universally applicable to all registrations’ but I
            seriously doubt that will happen in today’s world.  That
            would be much simpler than policies that vary by region and
            users, but is it realistic?<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Chuck<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [<a
                  href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 12, 2018 2:30 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Michael Palage <a
                  href="mailto:michael@palage.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true"><michael@palage.com></a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs.
                lawful<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Michael is right. ICANN iOS based on the
            thought of “One World; one Internet”. This also means that
            the policies it creates should be universally applicable to
            all registrations, if possible. IF we start creating policy
            that diverges, that would only lead to further fragmentation
            and undermine the founding ideal of ICANN itself. Our aim
            should be to create one policy that can be applied to all or
            most registrations and that can be implemented by all
            registrars alike. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">While we will likely have a certain
              amount of fragmentation following May 25 as each
              contracted party applies its own solution, it should be
              our goal to overcome this and present a new unified policy
              that works for all contracted parties. <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 12. Feb 2018, at 20:27,
                      Michael Palage <<a
                        href="mailto:michael@palage.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">michael@palage.com</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Greg/John,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I will respectfully push back
                        on your legal over simplification of the GDPR.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">The exterritorial aspect of
                        the GDPR set forth in Article 3 is NOT just
                        limited to EU residents/citizens.  As Michele
                        has noted in the past, the GDPR requires
                        BlackKnight as an Irish legal entity to protect
                        all of its customers data (EU/Non-EU) in
                        compliance with GDPR, as well as US entities
                        that target and conduct business within the EU.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Now your points about the
                        distinction between natural and legal persons is
                        a fair one and one that has been noted in EU and
                        Art 29 communications.  Could you please share
                        the basis of your proposition that 97% of all
                        domain name registrations are registered by
                        legal entities.<span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">As I have note previously the
                        long term viability of the ICANN
                        multi-stakeholder model is at risk as national
                        governments continue to pass national laws that
                        impact the operation of the Internet.  However,
                        the European Union is NOT alone in advancing
                        Privacy Legislation, in fact data localization
                        is perhaps the next biggest lurking threat to
                        the domain name system. <span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Michael<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                        [<a
                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                          Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>John
                        Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                        February 12, 2018 1:22 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Greg
                        Aaron <<a href="mailto:gca@icginc.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">gca@icginc.com</a>><br>
                        <b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                          href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b><span
                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                        [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis vs. lawful<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">I
                              think Greg is right on. There's simply no
                              justification to force a law that is only
                              intended to apply to a) EU
                              residents/citizens that are b) natural
                              persons not using the domain name for
                              commercial purposes, to the
                              remaining...what? 97% - 99% of the world's
                              registrant population? That would be a
                              balanced way to implement all of this. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          Horton<br>
                                                          President and
                                                          CEO,
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at
                            9:57 AM, Greg Aaron <<a
                              href="mailto:gca@icginc.com"
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                                style="color:purple">gca@icginc.com</span></a>>
                            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">I don’t know if we
                                  arrive at the same place. <span
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">GDPR is based on
                                  one principle.  It states what is
                                  legal.  It's explicit about what you
                                  _are allowed to do_; granted there’s
                                  some flexibility and room for
                                  interpretation.   It’s like saying
                                  what’s inside a box.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">U.S. law is one
                                  based on different principles.  AFAIK
                                  U.S. consumer protection law does not
                                  enumerate specifically what is
                                  lawful.  Instead it tends to state
                                  what is illegal, what you are _not
                                  allowed to do_.   It’s like saying
                                  what’s outside the box.   The U.S.
                                  doesn’t have something like GDPR that
                                  spells out legal bases for collecting
                                  data, i.e. the enumerated allowable
                                  reasons.  Instead the trade and
                                  consumer protection laws basically
                                  say: entities have the right to form
                                  contracts between themselves, they
                                  should live up to the contract, don’t
                                  surprise people, don’t do certain
                                  dishonest things.  <span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Here's the problem:
                                  if one makes the GDPR principle the
                                  ICANN standard and you apply it to all
                                  registrations, then practices that are
                                  allowable in one place under the law
                                  (like the U.S.) would no longer be
                                  allowed there by ICANN policy.   ICANN
                                  would be choosing one legal approach
                                  or regime for everyone in the world. <span
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">The alternative is
                                  to apply the GDRP only to those that
                                  it is designed to protect:
                                   registrants in the EU.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">For example,
                                  there’s nothing in U.S. law that
                                  prohibits a U.S. registrar from having
                                  a contract that says publication of
                                  full contact data in WHOIS is  a
                                  condition of registering a domain name
                                  if you are a registrant in the U.S.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">See<span
                                    class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="https://iapp.org/news/a/explaining-the-gdpr-to-an-american/"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                      style="color:purple">https://iapp.org/news/a/explaining-the-gdpr-to-an-american/</span></a> 
                                  for more.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                      [<a
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                                          style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                                        Behalf Of<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Silver,
                                      Bradley via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
                                      <b>Sent:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                      February 9, 2018 2:54 PM<br>
                                      <b>To:</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Volker
                                      Greimann <<a
                                        href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">vgreimann@key-systems.net</span></a>>;<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                          style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <b>Subject:</b><span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                          [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal basis
                                          vs. lawful<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">It is true
                                        that the GDPR is prescriptive,
                                        although also rather open-ended
                                        (hence our current pickle).  But
                                        regardless of the term we use,
                                        don’t we arrive at the same
                                        place:  which is that if
                                        something that requires a legal
                                        basis is done without one, it
                                        will be unlawful?  Using Kathy’s
                                        example, if data is processed
                                        without complying with
                                        minimization or purpose
                                        principles, will such processing
                                        not run afoul of the law, and
                                        hence be unlawful? <span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="color:#1F497D">There are
                                        important distinctions between
                                        the meaning of “legal basis”
                                        which implies that a law
                                        requires something to be
                                        affirmatively present, versus
                                        “lawful”, which means that
                                        something is not prohibited by
                                        law.  Ultimately though, isn’t
                                        “lawfulness”, the same end
                                        point, regardless? <span
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                                              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
                                            [</span><a
                                            href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                                            target="_blank"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:purple">mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
                                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Volker
                                            Greimann<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                            February 09, 2018 11:27 AM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b><span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                            [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal
                                            basis vs. lawful</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                        style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I
                                        do not see how. Kathy's analysis
                                        seems sound. The flexibility
                                        within the GDPR still only
                                        allows processing in very
                                        specific cicumstances, all of
                                        which are listed in the GDPR.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Am 09.02.2018
                                        um 16:45 schrieb Victoria
                                        Sheckler:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Kathy’s
                                        analysis breaks down on a
                                        practical level when one looks
                                        at the GDPR and what it says
                                        about when data can be
                                        processed.  The GDPR allows for
                                        flexibility for what can be
                                        processed and when, and kathy’s
                                        analysis overlooks that point.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg [<a
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class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span
                                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Kathy
                                            Kleiman<br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday,
                                            February 8, 2018 7:07 PM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b><span
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href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                style="color:purple">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                            [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal
                                            basis vs. lawful<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Tx for the
                                        invitation to join, Chuck, and
                                        following up on the discussion
                                        of Sam and Tapani, let me add
                                        that criteria for processing
                                        must be clearer than something
                                        broadly within ICANN's mission
                                        statement and something
                                        permissible somewhere. The
                                        requirements under law are
                                        express and concrete.<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                          style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Specifically,
                                          GDPR Article 5(1)(b and c)
                                          states:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>Personal
                                        data shall be:<span
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                                        2.    "collected for<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><u>specified,
                                          explicit and legitimate
                                          purposes<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span></u>and
                                        not further processed in a
                                        manner that is incompatible with
                                        those purposes"</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(the
                                      "purpose limitation") AND<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b><br>
                                        3.    "adequate, relevant and
                                        limited to what is necessary in
                                        relation to the purposes for
                                        which they are processed"</b><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>(the
                                      "data minimisation" requirement). 
                                      [underline added]<b><br>
                                      </b><br>
                                      Thus, our first criteria of
                                      "consistent with ICANN's mission,"
                                      is only the first step and we need
                                      to go further than even the 3
                                      criteria we are discussing..<br>
                                      <br>
                                      Second, lawful and legal enter us
                                      into a debate over words and I
                                      have to agree with Sam and
                                      Tapani's analysis and let me add
                                      some of my own.<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                      <br>
                                      "Legal" is the term we use for
                                      actions expressly allowed under
                                      law. How we process personal data
                                      under the GDRP falls into this
                                      category -- of processing
                                      expressly allowed under law.
                                      Whereas the term lawful is used
                                      for a much broader category of
                                      actions which are generally
                                      permissible and allowable.<br>
                                      <br>
                                      The term "legal" is much more
                                      consistent with our criteria
                                      statement because the processing
                                      of personal data by ICANN must
                                      clearly have a<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><i>valid
                                        legal basis</i><span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span>as
                                      expressly defined by data
                                      protection laws.<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                      <br>
                                      Best regards,<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                      Kathy<span
                                        class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                      <br>
                                      On 2/7/2018 10:53 AM, Sam
                                      Lanfranco wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Thanks
                                            Tapani,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
                                        style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I
                                        will extract from your longer
                                        message.<span
                                          class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                        I deliberately kept my brief and
                                        less technical.<br>
                                        I think we are in agreement here
                                        and I support your position.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                                              style="color:#660000">On
                                              2/7/2018 1:07 AM, Tapani
                                              Tarvainen wrote:<br>
                                              <br>
                                              The key distinction, as I
                                              understand it, is that
                                              "lawful" would be<br>
                                               defined by the negative,
                                              everything that some law
                                              does not prohibit,<span
                                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"
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                                          style="color:#660000">where as
                                          "legal basis" is defined by
                                          the positive, only things
                                          whose<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                          justification can be
                                          explicitly derived from law.<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                            <......><br>
                                          <br>
                                          So I would prefer "legal
                                          basis" specifically in this
                                          sense: that any processing<br>
                                           would have to be explicitly
                                          based on one of the criteria,
                                          or bases, as listed<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                          in GDPR Article 6, or similar
                                          explicit justification in
                                          other data protection
                                          legislation.<span
                                            class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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