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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">While we can agree that businesses do want to be contacted very few of them would expect their clients or customers to resort to whois records for that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thousands of our clients use .ie domain names. There are no contact details available in the .ie whois. Here’s one for one of our domains:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">We also often see clients using obfuscated whois, or simply a TLD with minimal to no whois, happily publishing their details on their websites or in their emails.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Bambenek <jcb@bambenekconsulting.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 13 February 2018 at 17:07<br>
<b>To: </b>"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Fwd: Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><a name="_MailOriginalBody">No it doesn't because there are large incentives for institution and individuals to continue to publish information. Businesses, for instance, WANT to be contacted. If you want mail delivered, certain best practices are imposed.<o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">If consent is not the solution, YOU are deciding what the rest of the world can and cannot do with their data. Who exactly made ICANN the arbiter of what I can do with my data?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 2/13/2018 11:04 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I am not sure you want that, because that means completely dark whois.
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">I'd prefer an approach where we do not need to rely on consent (but can still offer it as an option). The hard bit is finding the right principles of who gets access to what and how even when there is no consent.
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Consent is not the solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Am 13.02.2018 um 18:00 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Ok, so you agree with my in principle and we're just haggling over the details now. Flip a coin for all I care, opt-in/opt-out and move forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">So let's do that. When can we implement?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">You are still looking at the wrong end of the horse. Privacy is not the choice, it is the default. Divulging data is the choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned if we made privacy a free choice, make the fields optional for all I care, and whatever they do make is public... we have solved this problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">People who ACTUALLY protect society against privacy threats have the data to do their jobs, consumers who want privacy have a free option for it, and registrars can be in compliance with the law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">This is just an example but there is a lot of damage that can be caused with data being exposed. In our case we have phone numbers, addresses, emails which is required to verification.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">This takes us to issue of consent.<br>
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Let's be honest here, we're talking about phone numbers and email addresses. The threat model is RADICALLY different with the data we are talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Undeterred by the fact that noone has responded to my last post, I offer the following update to the Equifax breach to further illustrate my point. As many companies have found out, you don't find out what you've
got till it's gone.....a further reason for data minimization and short retention periods.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/13/equifax_security_breach_bad/" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/13/equifax_security_breach_bad/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>
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<b>Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc</b><br>
Pwned credit-score biz quietly admits more info lost<br>
By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 13 Feb 2018 at 02:13<br>
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Last year, Equifax admitted <br>
</span></span><a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>
hackers stole sensitive personal records on 145 million Americans and hundreds of thousands in the UK
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</span></span><a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>
and Canada.<br>
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The outfit already said cyber-crooks "primarily" took names, social security numbers, birth dates, home addresses, credit-score dispute forms, and, in some instances, credit card numbers and driver license numbers. Now the credit-checking giant reckons the
intruders snatched even more information from its databases.<br>
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According to documents provided by Equifax to the US Senate Banking Committee, <br>
and <u>revealed this month by Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)</u>, <br>
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the attackers also grabbed taxpayer identification numbers, phone numbers, email addresses, and credit card expiry dates belonging to some Equifax customers.<br>
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Like social security numbers, taxpayer ID numbers are useful for fraudsters seeking to steal people's identities or their tax rebates, and the expiry dates are similarly useful for online crooks when linked with credit card numbers and other personal information.<br>
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<b>Contradictory</b><br>
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"As your company continues to issue incomplete, confusing and contradictory statements and hide information from Congress and the public, it is clear that five months after the breach was publicly announced, Equifax has yet to answer this simple question in
full: what was the precise extent of the breach?" Warren fumed in a missive late last week.<br>
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Equifax spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti stressed to The Register today that the extra information snatched by hackers, as revealed by Senator Warren, belonged to "some" Equifax customers. In other words, not everyone had their phone numbers, email addresses,
and so on, slurped by crooks just some. How much is some? Equifax isn't saying, hence Warren's (and everyone else's) growing frustration.<br>
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The senator is a cosponsor of the <u>proposed Data Breach Prevention and Compensation Act,
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</span></span><a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>
which, if passed, would impose computer security regulations on credit reporting agencies, with mandatory fines that would have led to Equifax coughing up $1.5bn for its IT blunder.<br>
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Some regulation or punishment is obviously needed.<br>
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No senior Equifax executives were fired over the attack instead the CEO, CSO and CIO were all allowed to retire with multi-million dollar golden parachutes. The US government's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau promised a full investigation into the Equifax
affair, and then gave up. On February 7, an open letter [PDF] <br>
</span></span><a href="https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><br>
from 32 senators to the bureau asked why the probe was dropped, and the gang has yet to receive a response. ®</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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