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    <p>I am not sure you want that, because that means completely dark
      whois. <br>
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    <p>I'd prefer an approach where we do not need to rely on consent
      (but can still offer it as an option). The hard bit is finding the
      right principles of who gets access to what and how even when
      there is no consent. <br>
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    <p>Consent is not the solution.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.02.2018 um 18:00 schrieb John
      Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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      <p>Ok, so you agree with my in principle and we're just haggling
        over the details now. Flip a coin for all I care, opt-in/opt-out
        and move forward.</p>
      <p>So let's do that. When can we implement?<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/13/2018 10:58 AM, Volker
        Greimann wrote:<br>
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        <p>You are still looking at the wrong end of the horse. Privacy
          is not the choice, it is the default. Divulging data is the
          choice.<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.02.2018 um 17:57 schrieb John
          Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:<br>
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          <p>Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned if we made privacy a
            free choice, make the fields optional for all I care, and
            whatever they do make is public... we have solved this
            problem.</p>
          <p>People who ACTUALLY protect society against privacy threats
            have the data to do their jobs, consumers who want privacy
            have a free option for it, and registrars can be in
            compliance with the law.<br>
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          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/13/2018 10:54 AM, DANIEL
            NANGHAKA wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAD4W+iOkUWZiVn_hrXXFxEpDS4ynP8LNh+aOt0Mbz1myLLe9gQ@mail.gmail.com">This
            is just an example but there is a lot of damage that can be
            caused with data being exposed. In our case we have phone
            numbers, addresses, emails which is required to
            verification. 
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            <div>This takes us to issue of consent.<br>
              <br>
              On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, John Bambenek via
              gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a
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                  <p>Let's be honest here, we're talking about phone
                    numbers and email addresses. The threat model is
                    RADICALLY different with the data we are talking
                    about.<br>
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                  <div>On 2/13/2018 10:45 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
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                    <p>Undeterred by the fact that noone has responded
                      to my last post, I offer the following update to
                      the Equifax breach to further illustrate my
                      point.  As many companies have found out, you
                      don't find out what you've got till it's
                      gone.....a further reason for data minimization
                      and short retention periods.<br>
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                      <font face="Times New Roman"><font size="3"><a
href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/13/equifax_security_breach_bad/"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.theregister.co.uk/<wbr>2018/02/13/equifax_security_<wbr>breach_bad/</a><br>
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                          <b>Equifax hack worse than previously thought:
                            Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax
                            IDs etc</b><br>
                          Pwned credit-score biz quietly admits more
                          info lost<br>
                          By Iain Thomson in San Francisco 13 Feb 2018
                          at 02:13<br>
                          <br>
                          Last year, Equifax admitted <br>
                          <a
href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/07/143m_american_equifax_customers_exposed/"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theregister.co.uk/<wbr>2017/09/07/143m_american_<wbr>equifax_customers_exposed/</a><br>
                          hackers stole sensitive personal records on
                          145 million Americans and hundreds of
                          thousands in the UK <br>
                          <a
href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_update/"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theregister.co.uk/<wbr>2017/10/10/equifax_uk_records_<wbr>update/</a><br>
                          and Canada.<br>
                          <br>
                          The outfit already said cyber-crooks
                          "primarily" took names, social security
                          numbers, birth dates, home addresses,
                          credit-score dispute forms, and, in some
                          instances, credit card numbers and driver
                          license numbers. Now the credit-checking giant
                          reckons the intruders snatched even more
                          information from its databases.<br>
                          <br>
                          According to documents provided by Equifax to
                          the US Senate Banking Committee, <br>
                          and <u>revealed this month by Senator
                            Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)</u>, <br>
                          <a
                            href="https://apnews.com/2a51e3e5f9a945978df4ad96246b8ecc"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://apnews.com/<wbr>2a51e3e5f9a945978df4ad96246b8e<wbr>cc</a><br>
                          the attackers also grabbed taxpayer
                          identification numbers, phone numbers, email
                          addresses, and credit card expiry dates
                          belonging to some Equifax customers.<br>
                          <br>
                          Like social security numbers, taxpayer ID
                          numbers are useful for fraudsters seeking to
                          steal people's identities or their tax
                          rebates, and the expiry dates are similarly
                          useful for online crooks when linked with
                          credit card numbers and other personal
                          information.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <b>Contradictory</b><br>
                          <br>
                          "As your company continues to issue
                          incomplete, confusing and contradictory
                          statements and hide information from Congress
                          and the public, it is clear that five months
                          after the breach was publicly announced,
                          Equifax has yet to answer this simple question
                          in full: what was the precise extent of the
                          breach?" Warren fumed in a missive late last
                          week.<br>
                          <a
                            href="https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=2317"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.warren.senate.gov/<wbr>?p=press_release&id=2317</a><br>
                          <br>
                          Equifax spokeswoman Meredith Griffanti
                          stressed to The Register today that the extra
                          information snatched by hackers, as revealed
                          by Senator Warren, belonged to "some" Equifax
                          customers. In other words, not everyone had
                          their phone numbers, email addresses, and so
                          on, slurped by crooks just some. How much is
                          some? Equifax isn't saying, hence Warren's
                          (and everyone else's) growing frustration.<br>
                          <br>
                          The senator is a cosponsor of the <u>proposed
                            Data Breach Prevention and Compensation Act,
                          </u><br>
                          <a
href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/10/credit_reporting_agencies_fines/"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.theregister.co.uk/<wbr>2018/01/10/credit_reporting_<wbr>agencies_fines/</a><br>
                          which, if passed, would impose computer
                          security regulations on credit reporting
                          agencies, with mandatory fines that would have
                          led to Equifax coughing up $1.5bn for its IT
                          blunder.<br>
                          <br>
                          Some regulation or punishment is obviously
                          needed.<br>
                          <br>
                          No senior Equifax executives were fired over
                          the attack instead the CEO, CSO and CIO were
                          all allowed to retire with multi-million
                          dollar golden parachutes. The US government's
                          Consumer Financial Protection Bureau promised
                          a full investigation into the Equifax affair,
                          and then gave up. On February 7, an open
                          letter [PDF] <br>
                          <a
href="https://www.schatz.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%20Letter%202-7-18.pdf"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.schatz.senate.gov/<wbr>imo/media/doc/CFPB%20Equifax%<wbr>20Letter%202-7-18.pdf</a><br>
                          from 32 senators to the bureau asked why the
                          probe was dropped, and the gang has yet to
                          receive a response. ®<br>
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