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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>John,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Please see my personal responses to your two questions below.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele@blacknight.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> John Horton <john.horton@legitscript.com>; Chuck <consult@cgomes.com><br><b>Cc:</b> RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>John<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I cannot agree with either of your statements. Others have weighed in on the first one, so I won’t repeat what has been said.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>The second one is a mischaracterisation of what registrars (and registries) are dealing with, unless you consider protecting your business from breaking the law as an “objective”. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Mr Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Blacknight Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="https://www.blacknight.com">https://www.blacknight.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="https://blacknight.blog">https://blacknight.blog</a> /<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'><a href="http://ceo.hosting/">http://ceo.hosting/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#191919;background:white'> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>R93 X265<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:10.5pt;color:black'>,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of John Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday 14 February 2018 at 20:08<br><b>To: </b>Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Thanks, Chuck. I think whatever changes are required by the GDPR can be accomplished with changes that, in my view, do not constitute a fundamental change to Whois/RDS. Beyond what I think are non-fundamental changes relating to the GDPR, I do not believe that any changes are a "must." As to your question:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>There is a limited set of registrants that is entitled to GDPR protection. There is a very large class of registrants that is not entitled to GDPR protection. There is disagreement about where this line is, but this seems to be something where consensus is possible and there's an objectively, legally correct answer. </span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>It is possible to protect that subset of registrants through (e.g.) complimentary privacy protection, as well as some other limited policies granting access to the data for a legitimate purpose (etc., everything we've been discussing). </span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Whether a registrant is, in fact, an entity that is in the very limited class entitled to GDPR protection can be determined during the registration process, and ICANN policy can require registrars to add these fields to the registration process. Existing registrants can be asked to update their information. </span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Aside from the policies requiring that those additional data fields be collected during the registration process (e.g., are you an EU citizen and other relevant questions), and that if certain answers are "TRUE" then privacy protection is automatically granted, Whois would not change. Port 43 access would continue as is, and so on. </span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>I guess I would turn around and ask you and others if everyone agrees with these two statements:</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><ol start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE>The GDPR applies to, and is intended to benefit, a limited set of registrants. <b><i>[Chuck Gomes] </i></b> Yes but the number who benefit is quite large and Identifying who they are is not easy.<o:p></o:p></span></span></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE>Registrar convenience or business objectives is not a valid basis to support a policy change. <b><i>[Chuck Gomes] </i></b> But complying with law is and in the GNSO we are tasked with considering the impact on all stakeholders including registrars and including you.<o:p></o:p></span></span></li></ol></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#073763'>John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE> <o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#FF9900'><img border=0 width=46 height=96 style='width:.4791in;height:1.0in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png" alt="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png"><img border=0 width=47 height=95 style='width:.4895in;height:.9895in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ" alt="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ"></span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Chuck <</span></span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE>consult@cgomes.com</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span lang=EN-IE>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>You said ‘no’ but your qualification says it needs to change, albeit in what you think is a minor change.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Do you believe that changing the RDS to accommodate the GDPR is Europe is a minor tweak? If so, please tell me what that minor tweak is.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b>From:</b> John Horton [mailto:</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>john.horton@legitscript.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck <</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>consult@cgomes.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>><br><b>Cc:</b> Sara Bockey <</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:sbockey@godaddy.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>sbockey@godaddy.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>>; Steve Crocker <</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>steve@shinkuro.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>>; RDS PDP WG <</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Yes, I respectfully disagree with Sara's statement, Chuck. (With a small qualification.) I don't think you have consensus around that point, in my view. The qualification I'd make is: where there are specific regulatory reasons to either require or permit a change to existing Whois/RDS policy, provided that it's done in the most conservative way possible, I think that's reasonable to discuss. (The obvious example here is the GDPR.) Beyond that, I believe that one of the best alternatives that's (implicitly) presented so far is no change, as many (all?) of the proposed changes I've heard so far would be worse than the status quo. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>So do I believe it "must" change? No, aside from a very limited tweak due to some specific regulatory issues. Do I believe it could be improved, and that improvements are worth discussing? Yes. But the answer to your question is: Yes, there is someone on this working group who respectfully disagrees with Sara's statement. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#073763'>John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><img border=0 width=96 height=36 style='width:1.0in;height:.375in' id="_x0000_i1028" 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style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>consult@cgomes.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Is there anyone in this WG who disagrees with Sara’s statement that ‘RDS must change’, understanding that we still have large differences of opinion regarding how to change it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sara Bockey<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> Steve Crocker <</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>steve@shinkuro.com</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>>; </span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>I agree with Steve and look forward to additional feedback from him. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>RDS must change. Discussions to the contrary are a waste of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Sara<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.0pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#02C54C'>sara bockey</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.0pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#111111'>sr. policy manager | </span></b></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#02C54C'>Go</span></b></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Daddy<sup>™</sup></span></b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.0pt'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:sbockey@godaddy.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#954F72'>sbockey@godaddy.com</span></b></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#111111'> </span></b></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="tel:(480)%20366-3616" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>480-366-3616</span></b></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#111111'>skype: sbockey</span></b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;background:white'>This email message and any attachments hereto is intended for use only by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message and its attachments.</span></i><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>> on behalf of Steve Crocker <</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>steve@shinkuro.com</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 9:27 AM<br><b>To: </b>"</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>" <</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>><br><b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><a name="m_5138504892684775618_m_-264804827399444">I am only partially up to speed on the state of discussion within this WG, but I have been following the RDS situation for several years. In my view, the current focus on GDPR, while understandable because of the looming deadline, is logically backwards. The challenge, which we tried to address forcefully in 2012, is to rethink the RDS from the ground up. In my view, this is: </a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>o necessary<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>o feasible<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>o will lead to a much cleaner model<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>o will make it relatively straightforward to satisfy the GDPR and all similar regulations around the world.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>There are also some issues such as the relationship of name server operators that also need to be addressed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>There is obviously much more that needs to be said. I will contribute as much and as quickly as I can.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br>_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><br></span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank"><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span></a><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><span style='mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody'></span><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-IE><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>