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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>John,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>You said ‘no’ but your qualification says it needs to change, albeit in what you think is a minor change.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Do you believe that changing the RDS to accommodate the GDPR is Europe is a minor tweak? If so, please tell me what that minor tweak is.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> John Horton [mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> Chuck <consult@cgomes.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Sara Bockey <sbockey@godaddy.com>; Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>; RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Yes, I respectfully disagree with Sara's statement, Chuck. (With a small qualification.) I don't think you have consensus around that point, in my view. The qualification I'd make is: where there are specific regulatory reasons to either require or permit a change to existing Whois/RDS policy, provided that it's done in the most conservative way possible, I think that's reasonable to discuss. (The obvious example here is the GDPR.) Beyond that, I believe that one of the best alternatives that's (implicitly) presented so far is no change, as many (all?) of the proposed changes I've heard so far would be worse than the status quo. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444'>So do I believe it "must" change? No, aside from a very limited tweak due to some specific regulatory issues. Do I believe it could be improved, and that improvements are worth discussing? Yes. But the answer to your question is: Yes, there is someone on this working group who respectfully disagrees with Sara's statement. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#073763'>John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><img width=96 height=36 style='width:1.0in;height:.375in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ"><o:p></o:p></p><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#444444'>Follow</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Legit</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#0B5394'>Script</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#CC0000'>LinkedIn</span></a> | <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" target="_blank"><span style='color:#6AA84F'>Facebook</span></a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" target="_blank"><span style='color:#674EA7'>Twitter</span></a> | <u><span style='color:#FF9900'><a href="http://blog.legitscript.com/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#1155CC'>Blog</span></a></span></u> |<span style='color:#FF9900'> <a href="http://go.legitscript.com/Subscription-Management.html" target="_blank"><span style='color:#FF9900'>Newsletter</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#FF9900'><img border=0 width=46 height=96 style='width:.4791in;height:1.0in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png"><img border=0 width=47 height=96 style='width:.4895in;height:1.0in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ"></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">consult@cgomes.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Is there anyone in this WG who disagrees with Sara’s statement that ‘RDS must change’, understanding that we still have large differences of opinion regarding how to change it?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Chuck<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sara Bockey<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:22 AM<br><b>To:</b> Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I agree with Steve and look forward to additional feedback from him. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>RDS must change. Discussions to the contrary are a waste of time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sara<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"GD Boing",serif;color:#02C54C'>sara bockey</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"GD Boing",serif;color:#111111'>sr. policy manager | </span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"GD Boing",serif;color:#02C54C'>Go</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"GD Boing",serif;color:black'>Daddy<sup>™</sup></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:1.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"GD Boing",serif;color:#111111'><a href="mailto:sbockey@godaddy.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:#954F72'>sbockey@godaddy.com</span></a> <a href="tel:(480)%20366-3616" target="_blank">480-366-3616</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"GD Boing",serif;color:#111111'>skype: sbockey</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;background:white'> </span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black;background:white'>This email message and any attachments hereto is intended for use only by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message and its attachments.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 9:27 AM<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Using the GDPR as a basis for RDS Policy is backwards</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="m_-2648048273994446217__MailOriginalBody">I am only partially up to speed on the state of discussion within this WG, but I have been following the RDS situation for several years. In my view, the current focus on GDPR, while understandable because of the looming deadline, is logically backwards. The challenge, which we tried to address forcefully in 2012, is to rethink the RDS from the ground up. In my view, this is: </a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>o necessary<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>o feasible<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>o will lead to a much cleaner model<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>o will make it relatively straightforward to satisfy the GDPR and all similar regulations around the world.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There are also some issues such as the relationship of name server operators that also need to be addressed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>There is obviously much more that needs to be said. I will contribute as much and as quickly as I can.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Steve<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br>_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>