<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>+1</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of allison nixon <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 2:48 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>>, KWASNY Sophie <<a href="mailto:Sophie.KWASNY@coe.int">Sophie.KWASNY@coe.int</a>>, KIMPIAN Peter <<a href="mailto:Peter.KIMPIAN@coe.int">Peter.KIMPIAN@coe.int</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Legal Inquiry to ICANN<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div dir="ltr">I agree with this. The last this time the group met with the DPAs, there was zero representation of the cybersecurity needs in relation to WHOIS. The opportunity was totally blown. The DPAs need to be made aware of the societal costs to the loss of WHOIS. If they were aware of that, they would be much more receptive to the legitimate cybersecurity purposes for using the data. GDPR mentions a balance of interests and there is no sign the law was created with the intent to make cybersecurity work harder and increase the risk of breaches. Considering how minuscule the value of the entire domain industry is in comparison to the losses incurred by abuse of their product, I think that is a compelling argument for the DPAs to consider. If only it was ever presented to them.<div><br></div><div>If they state that some scheme is legal and serves a legitimate purpose for society as a whole, then bam, it is legal. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:56 PM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think this is an
excellent suggestion. May I add to this a suggestion that we
include the DPAs who so kindly came to Copenhagen last year?
They indicated a willingness to engage further, and I see no
evidence that we have done so. I am sure the Council of
Europe would be happy to broker this for us and am copying
Sophie and Peter to see if we can engage them to help with
this task.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I must say I am
getting very weary of this endless debate, and commend the
patience of folks like Michael who have been witnessing it for
a decade longer than I have. I would remind everybody that
there has been no substantive change in the actual application
of the EU laws to ICANN, except for the 4% fines. Now, of
course, as Bob Dylan famously said, money doesn't talk, it
screams......</font></font></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div class="m_6742668322875103894moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-02-14 18:01, Michael Palage
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chuck,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As one of the original authors to the this
extraterritorial thread, I welcome all the legal
interpretation by both lawyers and non-lawyers in connection
the scope to Article 3 of the GDPR. I think it is fair to say
there is a clear lack of consensus. Therefore I would like to
propose the following. Allow the group to comprise a list of
legal questions regarding this issue and forward it to
ICANN.org and ask of them the following:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="m_6742668322875103894MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Provide the
list of questions to Hamilton for a response<u></u><u></u></li>
<li class="m_6742668322875103894MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in">Have ICANN
legal provide a response to these same questions<u></u><u></u></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The reason for Number 2 is that John
Jeffrey made very clear in the last webinar that he does NOT
agree with all of the Hamilton analysis. I think us ICANN
volunteers toiling away in the PDP coal mine are
entitled/deserve an answer to these questions to allow us to
move forward with more productive work It does the group no
good for a bunch of well-intentioned individuals lacking the
requisite legal training to debate these issues.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Michael<u></u><u></u></p>
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