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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">With great respect,
the US has systematically been attempting to get WHOIS data
output into recent trade agreements, including for ccTLDs, for
a number of years. so we are already there....</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-02-15 08:58, Dotzero wrote:<br>
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<div>To simply assert that the extraterritorial nature of GDPR
is the end all and be all falls into the realm of the absurd.
If another jurisdiction passes legislation mandating
publication of identifying (personal) information in whois,
what then? What happens if you are "Trumped" by U.S.
legislation? Do you really want to see a trade war or worse?
We are dealing with a complex and difficult situation that is
the equivalent of wrestling a jello snake in a vat of oil. We
are best served by seeking outcomes that accommodate GDPR as
best as possible and recognize that other jurisdictions do not
necessarily follow the same principles as GDPR. I say this
even though I agree with many of the principles embodied in
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Ayden
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<div>I do not support this as a path forward.<br>
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<div>We have seen repeatedly that the legal advice we have
been issued has been ignored by those who are unhappy with
the message contained within it.<br>
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<div>And I disagree with the assertion that there is a
"clear lack of consensus" on the question of the
extraterritorial nature of the GDPR.<br>
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<div>To continue dwelling on this question will ensure that
we never make any progress as a working group.<br>
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<div> On 15 February 2018 12:01 AM, Michael Palage <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">As one of the original authors
to the this extraterritorial thread, I welcome all
the legal interpretation by both lawyers and
non-lawyers in connection the scope to Article 3
of the GDPR. I think it is fair to say there is a
clear lack of consensus. Therefore I would like
to propose the following. Allow the group to
comprise a list of legal questions regarding this
issue and forward it to ICANN.org and ask of them
the following:<br>
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the list of questions to Hamilton for a response<br>
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<li style="margin-left:0in"
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ICANN legal provide a response to these same
questions<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The reason for Number 2 is that
John Jeffrey made very clear in the last webinar
that he does NOT agree with all of the Hamilton
analysis. I think us ICANN volunteers toiling
away in the PDP coal mine are entitled/deserve an
answer to these questions to allow us to move
forward with more productive work It does the
group no good for a bunch of well-intentioned
individuals lacking the requisite legal training
to debate these issues.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<br>
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