<div>Hi Paul,<br></div><div><br></div><div>As best I am aware, the GDPR refers to "data subjects" and "natural persons". Where does it define these persons as only being individuals who reside in the EU?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Ayden <br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block"><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div> On 16 February 2018 10:10 PM, Paul Keating <paul@law.es> wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>Yes BUT it applies ONLY to the collection and processing of the PDI of individuals residing in the EU.<br></div><div><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad<br></div><div><div><br></div><div>On 16 Feb 2018, at 21:51, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Article 3, as referenced by Tapani, makes it very clear to me:</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">“</span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:-webkit-standard, serif">1. This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data in the context of the activities of an establishment of a controller or a processor
 in the Union, regardless of whether the processing takes place in the Union or not</span></span><span lang="EN-GB">”</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Regards</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Michele</span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">--</span></span><br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Mr Michele Neylon</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Blacknight Solutions</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com">https://www.blacknight.com</a></span></span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"><a href="https://blacknight.blog">https://blacknight.blog</a> /</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"><a href="http://ceo.hosting/">http://ceo.hosting/</a></span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">-------------------------------</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,</span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(25, 25, 25)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">R93 X265</span></span><br></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span></span><span lang="EN-GB"></span><br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>><br> <b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 20:02<br> <b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br> <b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se">benny@nordreg.se</a>" <<a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se">benny@nordreg.se</a>>, RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP</span></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Ha, thanks Michele, and sorry for the timing! (Hope your answer was written over a bottle of red wine, preferably an Oregon pinot.)</span></span></a><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Let me clarify my question, and feel free to defer the answer if next week is better. I'm asking if registrars have received specific
 guidance, or can point to anything specific in the GDPR or any written document, indicating that you have to provide GDPR protections to all of your customers, even if they aren't in scope. In other words, I'm looking for a very clear statement along these
 lines from a DPA:</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><blockquote style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">As an EU company, even if your customer is a natural person in the US, you must provide them the same rights under the GDPR that an
 EU natural person would receive. Failure to do so is non-compliant with the GDPR. </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Obviously, the exact wording my differ, but I'm trying to challenge your statement that "</span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">As
 an Irish company all our clients have to be handled under GDPR." If that's true as a legal requirement, I think it's important for the security/compliance community to be aware of that...if it's not, perhaps that opens up some more granular approaches that
 can satisfy both sides. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(7, 55, 99)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">John Horton<br> President and CEO, LegitScript</span></span></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><img alt="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" id="_x0000_i1033" style="width:1.0in;height:.375in" height="36" width="96" class="proton-embedded"></span><br></p><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Follow</span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(11, 83, 148)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Legit</span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(11, 83, 148)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Script</span></span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">: </span></span></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(204, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">LinkedIn</span></span></span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> 
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 wrote:</span><br></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Of course you would wait until a Friday evening to ask me this ..</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Anyway ..</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">As a company in the EU we have to do everything through the lens of GDPR.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>That does not mean that a company will get the same treatment as a private individual.</span></span></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">What it does mean is that we (and other EU based registrars and registries) have to consider whether or not there
 is personal information in the currently public whois information. I’m not 100% sure yet what the best way of dealing with that is. <br> While we can ask new clients things during signup, it’s going to be significantly harder to get a response from the existing ones.</span></span></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">--</span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Mr Michele Neylon</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Blacknight Solutions</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">https://www.blacknight.com</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://blacknight.blog"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">https://blacknight.blog</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"> /</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="http://ceo.hosting/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">http://ceo.hosting/</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Intl. </span></span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">+353 (0) 59  9183072</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Direct Dial: </span></span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">+353 (0)59 9183090</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">-------------------------------</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,</span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(25, 25, 25)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">R93 X265</span></span></span><br></p></div></div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span></span></span><br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">John Horton <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">john.horton@legitscript.com</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 19:28<br> <b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">michele@blacknight.com</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Cc: </b>"</span></span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">benny@nordreg.se</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">"
 <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">benny@nordreg.se</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">>,
 RDS PDP WG <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP</span></span></span></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> </span><br></p></div><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><a name="m_-6544666227877383717__MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Michele,</span></span></a></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">Let me dig in a bit on one question there -- actually curious about this.
 You indicated "</span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">As an Irish company all our clients have to be handled under GDPR." So, for example, let's
 say that I transferred my company's domain name (obviously, we're a legal person, and we're domiciled in the US and registered here) to Blacknight. I think you'd agree we're not the intended beneficiary of the GDPR. My specific question for you is: Is there
 written guidance somewhere indicating that you do, in fact, have to provide me GDPR protections? That your policies have to apply to me? If there's some language out there specifically indicating that, it would be helpful to see that. I didn't see that in
 the Hamilton memo (perhaps I'm missing it) nor in the text of the GDPR (but again, perhaps I'm missing it). Let me know if my question doesn't make sense. </span></span></span></span></span><br></p></div></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(7, 55, 99)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">John Horton<br> President and CEO, LegitScript</span></span></span></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><img alt="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" id="_x0000_i1030" style="width:1.0in;height:.375in" height="36" width="96" border="0" class="proton-embedded"></span><br></p><div><div><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Follow</span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(11, 83, 148)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Legit</span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(11, 83, 148)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Script</span></span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">: </span></span></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(204, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">LinkedIn</span></span></span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> 
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 wrote:</span><br></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">There are two distinct discussions here which seem to be getting mixed together.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">During the proxy / privacy discussion some people wanted there to be a distinction between who could avail of proxy
 / privacy services. Some wanted a prohibition on letting “commercial” have the ability to use proxy / privacy.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">The discussions here and elsewhere around collection and publication of data in light of GDPR are very different.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Nobody is disputing that there is a distinction between private individuals and corporations when it comes to GDPR.
 However there are risks associated with the processing of personal information, which may be tied into corporate information. And the “commercial” vs “non-commercial” distinction won’t work.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Where there is a clear difference is between treatment of registrants based on geography.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">As an Irish company all our clients have to be handled under GDPR. The same would be true of any other provider based
 in the EU.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">I cannot speak to nor will I get involved in debates around what various non-EU based operators may currently be
 doing or plan to do in the future – there are enough of them on this list who can do so more ably than I and without my help.</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><br></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">--</span></span></span><br></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Mr Michele Neylon</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Blacknight Solutions</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">https://www.blacknight.com</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="https://blacknight.blog"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">https://blacknight.blog</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt"> /</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><a href="http://ceo.hosting/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">http://ceo.hosting/</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Intl. </span></span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">+353 (0) 59  9183072</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Direct Dial: </span></span></span><a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">+353 (0)59 9183090</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">-------------------------------</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,</span></span><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(25, 25, 25)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">R93 X265</span></span></span><br></p></div></div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:10.5pt">,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span></span></span><br></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">From: </span></span></b><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">>
 on behalf of John Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Reply-To: </b>John Horton <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">john.horton@legitscript.com</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 18:54<br> <b>To: </b>"</span></span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">benny@nordreg.se</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">"
 <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">benny@nordreg.se</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <</span></span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="size" style="font-size:12pt">><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP</span></span></span></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> </span><br></p></div><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><a name="m_-6544666227877383717_m_-15097423538320"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I think quite a bit in
 this WG and certainly in the prior privacy/proxy PDP, and absolutely what we're seeing with GoDaddy. To make sure I'm being clear about what I mean, GoDaddy isn't only redacting Whois information (via Port 43) where it's an EU natural citizen or natural resident.
 The information is being redacted for....everyone. All registrants. There's simply no justification for that. </span></span></a></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I predict you'd see (I'm not speaking for anyone here, just me) a real willingness
 on the security and compliance community's part to compromise and support a system where, IF a registrant is an EU natural person (yes, I know we need to define it accurately -- citizen, resident, we can get granular later) then...hey, let's set up a system
 in involving redaction of some fields, access to those fields in legitimate cases, etc. I want to support registrars' compliance with the GDPR. But we're seeing the registrar community say: We want to apply this globally. To all domain name registrations.
 Doesn't matter if the registrant is the intended beneficiary of the new law, or in scope, or not. We're going to just change global policy.</span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> </span></span></span><br></p></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">I think that viewpoint has been pretty repeatedly represented in this working
 group, but I'd love to hear from registrars that would support a more targeted solution where only the intended beneficiaries of the GDPR (that is, in-scope registrants) are covered under the policy. </span></span></span><br></p></div></div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(7, 55, 99)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif">John Horton<br> President and CEO, LegitScript</span></span></span></p><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><img alt="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" id="_x0000_i1027" style="width:1.0in;height:.375in" height="36" width="96" border="0" class="proton-embedded"></span><br></p><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(68, 68, 68)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Follow</span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(11, 83, 148)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Legit</span></span></span><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(11, 83, 148)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">Script</span></span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">: </span></span></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(204, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt">LinkedIn</span></span></span></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="font" style="font-family:Helvetica"><span class="size" style="font-size:9pt"> 
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 wrote:</span><br></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Please refer to where registrars have been unwilling to explore this option?<br> <br> <br> <br> --<br> Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen<br> <br> Benny Samuelsen<br> Registry Manager - Domainexpert<br> <br> Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar<br> IANA-ID: 638<br> Phone: </span><a href="tel:%2B46.42197000"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+46.42197000</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> Direct: </span><a href="tel:%2B47.32260201"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+47.32260201</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> Mobile: </span><a href="tel:%2B47.40410200"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+47.40410200</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> <br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">> On 16 Feb 2018, at 19:38, John Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">>
 wrote:</span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">> Just imagine how much of all of this could be avoided if registrars were willing to agree to a commercial/individual distinction.</span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">> John Horton</span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">> President and CEO, LegitScript</span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">> Follow LegitScript: LinkedIn  |  Facebook  |  Twitter  |  Blog  |  Newsletter</span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br> <span class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span></span></p><div><div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:33 AM, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
 wrote:<br> > GDPR taken to its logical extreme very well could require us to abandon IP reputation and to emptying our firewalls. I mean, no consumer authorized me to process their IP just by attacking me, right?<br> ><br> > Privacy absolutism is not the answer unless you basically want to mandate the internet backbone be converted to tor.<br> ><br> > --<br> > John Bambenek<br> ><br> > On Feb 16, 2018, at 06:09, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">michele@blacknight.com</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
 wrote:<br> ><br> >> It’s an interesting read, but it has several flaws.<br> >><br> >> It refers to registrars solely and ignores registries.<br> >><br> >> It also makes it sound like issues around whois are “new”, which we all know isn’t true.<br> >><br> >> The comments about IP addresses make it sound like it’s a theoretical concern, yet there is case law eg:<br> >><br> >> </span><a href="https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> --<br> >><br> >> Mr Michele Neylon<br> >><br> >> Blacknight Solutions<br> >><br> >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br> >><br> >> </span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://www.blacknight.com/</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> </span><a href="http://blacknight.blog/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">http://blacknight.blog/</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> Intl. </span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+353 (0) 59 9183072</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> Direct Dial: </span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+353 (0)59 9183090</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> Personal blog: </span><a href="https://michele.blog/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://michele.blog/</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> Some thoughts: </span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> -------------------------------<br> >><br> >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br> >><br> >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845<br> >><br> >> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
 on behalf of Dotzero <</span><a href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">dotzero@gmail.com</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">><br> >> Date: Friday 16 February 2018 at 00:07<br> >> To: RDS PDP WG <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">><br> >> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP<br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> </span><a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-may-weaken-security/"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-may-weaken-security/</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >><br> >> Michael Hammer<br> >><br> >> _______________________________________________<br> >> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br> >> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> >> </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br> > </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> > </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________<br> > gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list<br> > </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br> > </span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> </span><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto" class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> </span><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span><br></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></div><div><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list</span><br></div><div><span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span><br></div><div><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg</a></span><br></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div>