<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Inaccurate and/or incomplete data could be an indicator of an untrustworthy website.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Feb 16, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com">steve@shinkuro.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks for the quick response. See brief comments inline below.<div><br></div><div>Steve</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:22 AM, nathalie coupet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com" target="_blank">nathaliecoupet@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_138990"><span id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139138">Good morning Steve,</span></div><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_138990"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_138990"><span id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140266">According to the Webster's definition of 'trustworthy':</span></div><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139173"><span><br></span></div><h2 style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:18px;font-family:Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(55,92,113);font-size:1.375em;letter-spacing:0.0454em;line-height:1.2272;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139541">Definition of <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:1.047em" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139542">trustworthy</span></h2><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140007"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:1.047em" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140050"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140036">: </span><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140037">worthy of confidence </span><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140038">: </span><a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dependable" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(174,0,21);outline-style:initial;outline-width:0px;text-decoration-line:none;letter-spacing:0.04em;font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-size:1.2em" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140039" target="_blank">dependable</a><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140040"> </span><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;list-style-type:none;display:inline;color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140041"><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px;list-style-type:none;display:inline" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140042"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 15px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140043">a <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-style:italic" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140044">trustworthy</span> guide</span></li></ul><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140045"> </span><ul style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;list-style-type:none;display:inline;color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:0.64px" dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140046"><li style="margin:0px;padding:0px;list-style-type:none;display:inline" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140047"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px 0px 0px 15px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140048"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-style:italic" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140049">trustworthy</span> information</span></li></ul><br></span></div><h2 style="margin-top:22px;margin-bottom:22px;font-family:Lato,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(55,92,113);font-size:1.375em;letter-spacing:0.0454em;line-height:1.2272;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139163"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;text-transform:capitalize" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139164">:<span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;letter-spacing:0.64px;font-weight:400" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139543"> </span>Legal </span>Definition of <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-variant:small-caps;font-size:1.047em" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139165">trustworthy</span></h2><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px;margin:0px;padding:0px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139166">: </span><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139167">worthy of confidence;</span><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139168"> </span><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px;margin:0px;padding:0px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139169"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;font-style:italic" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139170">specifically</span> <span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;display:inline" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139171"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139172">: </span>bei<wbr>ng or deriving from a source worthy of belief or consideration for evidentiary purposes</span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><span style="color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium;font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px;margin:0px;padding:0px"><span style="margin:0px;padding:0px;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140417"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140416">An end-user would be interested in knowing through a whois look-up whether</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140858"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140857">1) the website she is about to connect with comes from a source she approves of</span></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What do you have in mind for determining whether a website is one she approves of? I assume you have in mind the person accessing the website will be making the determination as to whether she approves of it. What information do you have in mind to put in front of her to help her make that determination?</div><div><br></div><div>I don't see how to make this work in an operational way.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140863"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_140862">2) the identity of its owner/content provider (if it's the same person) is the same as the one indicated in the WHOIS field; in order to be the victim of a hijacked website</span></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If I understand what you have in mind, you want to know if the person who has control of the website is the same as the one indicated in the registrant field of the whois record. This is much closer to being well defined and turned into an operationally feasible process, but even so there are some hurdles. The person who has control of the domain name, i.e. the account holder, may or may not be the same as the person responsible for the content of a website hosted under that domain name. But I assume you will feel at least somewhat better served if the registrant info does indeed match the account holder.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142136"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142135">3) the website is dependable: doesn't look suspicious, will not inject malicious codes or perform other nefarious activities, such as phishing and spam. </span></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>These are broad and subjective terms. I suspect reputation services will be more useful than depending on whois information.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Steve</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px"><br></span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142778"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142777">There are other uses that I have not mentioned, but that;s another topic</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px;color:rgb(59,62,65);font-family:"Open Sans",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:medium" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142943">1) a victim of diffamation, revenge porn, cyberbullying would be able to indentify the perpetrator</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><font color="#3b3e41" face="Open Sans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142689"><span style="font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures;letter-spacing:0.64px" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_142688">2) the possibility identification of the perpretator would lead to more accountability online, etc...</span></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_139175"><br></div><div></div><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_138929"> </div><div class="m_-9041931076146620876signature" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_138927"><br></div><div class="m_-9041931076146620876signature" id="m_-9041931076146620876yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518781920239_138927">Nathalie </div> <div class="m_-9041931076146620876qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_-9041931076146620876yahoo_quoted" style="display:block"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span class=""> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, February 16, 2018 10:02 AM, Steve Crocker <<a href="mailto:steve@shinkuro.com" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> </span><div class="m_-9041931076146620876y_msg_container"><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087"><div><span class=""><div dir="ltr">Nathalie,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>Can you be more specific about "trustworthiness of a website?" Trust has many facets. Do you have a more precise definition in mind?</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Steve</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div></span><div class="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><div class="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:19 AM, nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></span><blockquote class="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087yqt0334483219" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087yqt56928"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span class=""><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958"><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_403730"><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_403729" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351700"><span></span></div><div></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702">To technical people on this list:</div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702">In a tiered-system with authenticated access, how could the general public satisfy authentication requirements and what would those be, in order to have access to information about the trustworthiness of a website (what would this data be)? </div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702">Would it be possible to mandate someone who is duly authorized within the registrar to look up the data on her behest? Is there a way to automatize this process?</div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702">Personal thought: I keep on thinking we will find a silver bullet in the principles set by the law of the sea, the mechanisms of the EEZ or natural law. Still looking. </div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702">Thanks,</div><div dir="ltr" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351702"> </div><div class="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958signature" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_351704">Nathalie </div> <div class="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yiv1356810958qtdSeparateBR" id="m_-9041931076146620876yiv1250803087m_-3856666455884559974yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1518715850332_404283"><br></div></div></div></div></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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