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<p>John,<br>
<br>
As a registrar who provides registrar as a service and services
resellers, we need to make sure everyone and anyone can comply
with whatever applicable law they need to deal with.<br>
<br>
So while the GDPR is "one" guidance, this guides us more:<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cnil.fr/en/data-protection-around-the-world">https://www.cnil.fr/en/data-protection-around-the-world</a><br>
<br>
And it does not stop there.<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/turkeys-regulation-data-controllers-registry-affect-based-yaz%C4%B1c%C4%B1o%C4%9Flu/">https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/turkeys-regulation-data-controllers-registry-affect-based-yaz%C4%B1c%C4%B1o%C4%9Flu/</a><br>
<br>
Now consider this and imagine the massive consequences here. <br>
IF ICANN, Registries, and Registrars are considered joint
controllers, and this is not a far-fetched scenario. That means
for Turkey:<br>
ICANN has to appoint and authorize a representative in Turkey.<br>
So does a Registry<br>
So do Registrars<br>
<br>
Please re-read this till it sinks in. <br>
<br>
We can only assume as a WG that this trend will continue. <br>
I think we will reach a tipping point soon (1 or 2 years) and more
countries will require this. <br>
So the slogan of one world one internet, that might not be
applicable for domain names depending on how this group moves. The
defragmentation of the internet is happening on a vertical and
horizontal level, and this has been going on for some time now. <br>
<br>
This group needs to understand that WE have the means to shape the
future here. If we can take the lead and work together, with DPA's
and the article 29 WP we will shape that future, it will not be
easy; it will be complicated as hell, but we are in that position
to shape it. <br>
<br>
If not, defragmentation will be a fact, and all of us have to deal
with whatever problem on a country level. So far a particular part
of this WG is pushing for that scenario by this desire to remain
the current status quo of WHOIS. <br>
Which I understand, better to deal with the devil you know, but it
is not sustainable for the future. <br>
<br>
To put it very blunt John, I think you and others can shape the
future by being part of the solution.</p>
<p> If this WG fails, you going to have much more significant
problems then just the GDPR. <br>
</p>
<p>And personally, I would hate it to see rogue pharmacy scum bags
hide behind country borders and become untouchable. I rather see a
gated RDAP solution not just on a registrar but also a reseller
level......</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Theo <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16-2-2018 21:50, Michele Neylon -
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Article 3, as referenced
by Tapani, makes it very clear to me:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">“</span><span
style="font-family:"-webkit-standard",serif;color:black">1.
This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data
in the context of the activities of an establishment of a
controller or a processor in the Union, regardless of
whether the processing takes place in the Union or not</span><span
lang="EN-GB">”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Horton
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"><john.horton@legitscript.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 20:02<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se">"benny@nordreg.se"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"><benny@nordreg.se></a>,
RDS PDP WG <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security
article RE whois and GDRP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">Ha,
thanks Michele, and sorry for the timing! (Hope your
answer was written over a bottle of red wine,
preferably an Oregon pinot.)<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">Let
me clarify my question, and feel free to defer the
answer if next week is better. I'm asking if
registrars have received specific guidance, or can
point to anything specific in the GDPR or any written
document, indicating that you have to provide GDPR
protections to all of your customers, even if they
aren't in scope. In other words, I'm looking for a
very clear statement along these lines from a DPA:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">As
an EU company, even if your customer is a natural
person in the US, you must provide them the same
rights under the GDPR that an EU natural person
would receive. Failure to do so is non-compliant
with the GDPR. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">Obviously,
the exact wording my differ, but I'm trying to
challenge your statement that "</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">As
an Irish company all our clients have to be handled
under GDPR." If that's true as a legal requirement, I
think it's important for the security/compliance
community to be aware of that...if it's not, perhaps
that opens up some more granular approaches that can
satisfy both sides. </span></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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2018 at 11:53 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">michele@blacknight.com</span><span
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lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
lang="EN-GB">Of course you would wait until a
Friday evening to ask me this ..
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
lang="EN-GB">Anyway ..
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
lang="EN-GB">As a company in the EU we have to
do everything through the lens of GDPR.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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That does not mean that a company will get the
same treatment as a private individual.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
lang="EN-GB">What it does mean is that we (and
other EU based registrars and registries) have
to consider whether or not there is personal
information in the currently public whois
information. I’m not 100% sure yet what the best
way of dealing with that is.
<br>
While we can ask new clients things during
signup, it’s going to be significantly harder to
get a response from the existing ones.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John
Horton <</span></span><a
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 19:28<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <</span></span><a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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<b>Cc: </b>"</span></span><a
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>, RDS
PDP WG <</span></span><a
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs
On Security article RE whois and GDRP</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">Let
me dig in a bit on one question there --
actually curious about this. You indicated "</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">As
an Irish company all our clients have to be
handled under GDPR." So, for example, let's
say that I transferred my company's domain
name (obviously, we're a legal person, and
we're domiciled in the US and registered
here) to Blacknight. I think you'd agree
we're not the intended beneficiary of the
GDPR. My specific question for you is: Is
there written guidance somewhere indicating
that you do, in fact, have to provide me
GDPR protections? That your policies have to
apply to me? If there's some language out
there specifically indicating that, it would
be helpful to see that. I didn't see that in
the Hamilton memo (perhaps I'm missing it)
nor in the text of the GDPR (but again,
perhaps I'm missing it). Let me know if my
question doesn't make sense. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On
Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Michele
Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">michele@blacknight.com</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">John</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">There are two
distinct discussions here which
seem to be getting mixed together.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">During the
proxy / privacy discussion some
people wanted there to be a
distinction between who could
avail of proxy / privacy services.
Some wanted a prohibition on
letting “commercial” have the
ability to use proxy / privacy.
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">The
discussions here and elsewhere
around collection and publication
of data in light of GDPR are very
different.
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Nobody is
disputing that there is a
distinction between private
individuals and corporations when
it comes to GDPR. However there
are risks associated with the
processing of personal
information, which may be tied
into corporate information. And
the “commercial” vs
“non-commercial” distinction won’t
work.
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Where there is
a clear difference is between
treatment of registrants based on
geography.
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">As an Irish
company all our clients have to be
handled under GDPR. The same would
be true of any other provider
based in the EU.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">I cannot speak
to nor will I get involved in
debates around what various non-EU
based operators may currently be
doing or plan to do in the future
– there are enough of them on this
list who can do so more ably than
I and without my help.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">> on behalf of John Horton via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
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style="font-size:12.0pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span
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<b>Reply-To: </b>John Horton
<</span></span><a
href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com"
target="_blank"
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<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February
2018 at 18:54<br>
<b>To: </b>"</span></span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
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style="font-size:12.0pt">benny@nordreg.se</span></span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">" <</span></span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank"
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<b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <</span></span><a
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On
Security article RE whois and
GDRP</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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name="m_-6544666227877383717_m_-15097423538320"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">I
think quite a bit in this WG
and certainly in the prior
privacy/proxy PDP, and
absolutely what we're seeing
with GoDaddy. To make sure
I'm being clear about what I
mean, GoDaddy isn't only
redacting Whois information
(via Port 43) where it's an
EU natural citizen or
natural resident. The
information is being
redacted for....everyone.
All registrants. There's
simply no justification for
that. </span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">I
predict you'd see (I'm not
speaking for anyone here, just
me) a real willingness on the
security and compliance
community's part to compromise
and support a system where, IF
a registrant is an EU natural
person (yes, I know we need to
define it accurately --
citizen, resident, we can get
granular later) then...hey,
let's set up a system in
involving redaction of some
fields, access to those fields
in legitimate cases, etc. I
want to support registrars'
compliance with the GDPR. But
we're seeing the registrar
community say: We want to
apply this globally. To all
domain name registrations.
Doesn't matter if the
registrant is the intended
beneficiary of the new law, or
in scope, or not. We're going
to just change global policy.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#444444">I
think that viewpoint has been
pretty repeatedly represented
in this working group, but I'd
love to hear from registrars
that would support a more
targeted solution where only
the intended beneficiaries of
the GDPR (that is, in-scope
registrants) are covered under
the policy. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:44 AM,
</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">benny@nordreg.se</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> <</span><a
href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">benny@nordreg.se</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Please refer to where registrars
have been unwilling to
explore this option?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Med vänliga hälsningar /
Kind Regards / Med vennlig
hilsen<br>
<br>
Benny Samuelsen<br>
Registry Manager -
Domainexpert<br>
<br>
Nordreg AB - ICANN
accredited registrar<br>
IANA-ID: 638<br>
Phone: </span><a
href="tel:%2B46.42197000"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+46.42197000</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
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Direct: </span><a
href="tel:%2B47.32260201"
target="_blank"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+47.32260201</span><span
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Mobile: </span><a
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<span
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On 16 Feb 2018, at
19:38, John Horton via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">> wrote:</span><br>
<span
class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br>
<span
class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">>
Just imagine how much of
all of this could be
avoided if registrars
were willing to agree to
a commercial/individual
distinction.</span><br>
<span
class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">></span><br>
<span
class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">>
John Horton</span><br>
<span
class="m-6544666227877383717m-150974235383208381im">>
President and CEO,
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at
10:33 AM, John
Bambenek via
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span
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wrote:<br>
> GDPR taken to its
logical extreme very
well could require us
to abandon IP
reputation and to
emptying our
firewalls. I mean, no
consumer authorized me
to process their IP
just by attacking me,
right?<br>
><br>
> Privacy
absolutism is not the
answer unless you
basically want to
mandate the internet
backbone be converted
to tor.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> John Bambenek<br>
><br>
> On Feb 16, 2018,
at 06:09, Michele
Neylon - Blacknight
<</span><a
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">michele@blacknight.com</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> It’s an
interesting read, but
it has several flaws.<br>
>><br>
>> It refers to
registrars solely and
ignores registries.<br>
>><br>
>> It also makes
it sound like issues
around whois are
“new”, which we all
know isn’t true.<br>
>><br>
>> The comments
about IP addresses
make it sound like
it’s a theoretical
concern, yet there is
case law eg:<br>
>><br>
>> </span><a
href="https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Mr Michele
Neylon<br>
>><br>
>> Blacknight
Solutions<br>
>><br>
>> Hosting,
Colocation &
Domains<br>
>><br>
>> </span><a
href="https://www.blacknight.com/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://www.blacknight.com/</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>> </span><a
href="http://blacknight.blog/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">http://blacknight.blog/</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>> Intl. </span><a
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>> Direct Dial:
</span><a
href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">+353 (0)59 9183090</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>> Personal
blog: </span><a
href="https://michele.blog/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://michele.blog/</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>> Some
thoughts: </span><a
href="https://ceo.hosting/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">https://ceo.hosting/</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><br>
>><br>
>>
-------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Blacknight
Internet Solutions
Ltd, Unit
12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty<br>
>><br>
>>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
X265,Ireland Company
No.: 370845<br>
>><br>
>> From:
gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span><a
href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span><span
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on behalf of Dotzero
<</span><a
href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com"
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style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">dotzero@gmail.com</span><span
style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span
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>> Date: Friday
16 February 2018 at
00:07<br>
>> To: RDS PDP
WG <</span><a
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>> Subject:
[gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
Krebs On Security
article RE whois and
GDRP<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> </span><a
href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-may-weaken-security/"
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>> Michael
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