<div dir="ltr">I addressed "you guys", not you specifically. I'm addressing the list as a whole.<div><br></div><div>WHOIS is a critical component in security. You guys claim to care about privacy. Yet quite a number of you guys do not give any credence to the importance of securing one's own networks from the onslaught of malicious domains in use. So please explain to me how we can have one without the other.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 2:20 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Allison<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Have I ever advocated that?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I’ve always felt that security and privacy go hand in hand.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Mr Michele Neylon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">allison nixon <<a href="mailto:elsakoo@gmail.com" target="_blank">elsakoo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 17:54<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dotzero <<a href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com" target="_blank">dotzero@gmail.com</a>>, RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-5359321373307557127__MailOriginalBody">How do you guys expect to have privacy without security?<u></u><u></u></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 7:09 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank"><span>michele@blacknight.com</span><span></span></a><span>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB">It’s an interesting read, but it has several flaws.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB">It refers to registrars solely and ignores registries.</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB">It also makes it sound like issues around whois are “new”, which we all know isn’t true.</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB">The comments about IP addresses make it sound like it’s a theoretical concern, yet there is case law eg:</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span></span><a href="https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704" target="_blank"><span><span lang="EN-GB">https://www.irishtimes.com/<wbr>business/technology/european-<wbr>court-of-justice-rules-ip-<wbr>addresses-are-personal-data-1.<wbr>2835704</span></span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Mr Michele Neylon</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Blacknight Solutions</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Personal blog:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b></span><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>
 on behalf of Dotzero <</span></span><a href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dotzero@gmail.com</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 00:07<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS PDP WG <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></span><span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</a></span><a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-may-weaken-security/" target="_blank"><span>https://krebsonsecurity.com/<wbr>2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-<wbr>may-weaken-security/</span><span></span></a><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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