<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Michele,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#444444">Let me dig in a bit on one question there -- actually curious about this. You indicated "<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">As an Irish company all our clients have to be handled under GDPR." So, for example, let's say that I transferred my company's domain name (obviously, we're a legal person, and we're domiciled in the US and registered here) to Blacknight. I think you'd agree we're not the intended beneficiary of the GDPR. My specific question for you is: Is there written guidance somewhere indicating that you do, in fact, have to provide me GDPR protections? That your policies have to apply to me? If there's some language out there specifically indicating that, it would be helpful to see that. I didn't see that in the Hamilton memo (perhaps I'm missing it) nor in the text of the GDPR (but again, perhaps I'm missing it). Let me know if my question doesn't make sense. </span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><font color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">John Horton<br>President and CEO, LegitScript</font><div><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJRXE5UTAtclVxdTg&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJSG9zOUVwN1lFKzFrRVlnaWU0NGZ4RmdkUjg4PQ" width="96" height="36"><br><div><p style="margin:0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px;font:12.0px Helvetica"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><b><font color="#444444">Follow</font><font color="#0b5394"> </font><font color="#000000">Legit</font><font color="#0b5394">Script</font></b>: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/company/legitscript-com" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#cc0000">LinkedIn</font></a>  |  <a href="https://www.facebook.com/LegitScript" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#6aa84f">Facebook</font></a>  |  <a href="https://twitter.com/legitscript" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#674ea7">Twitter</font></a>  |  <font color="#ff9900"><u><a href="http://blog.legitscript.com/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">Blog</a></u></font>  |<font color="#ff9900">  <a href="http://go.legitscript.com/Subscription-Management.html" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><font color="#ff9900">Newsletter</font></a></font><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><br></font></p><p style="text-align:left;margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-size:12px;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica"><font color="#ff9900"><img src="https://www.legitscript.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/LegitScript-Workplace.png" width="46" height="96"><img src="https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B13GfLt8zwZJTmNWbmcwOTVJMXc&revid=0B13GfLt8zwZJQlZWOXVGbG9acC9nRGhzdEkxclFJVytCWVNjPQ" width="47" height="96"><br></font></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">There are two distinct discussions here which seem to be getting mixed together.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">During the proxy / privacy discussion some people wanted there to be a distinction between who could avail of proxy / privacy services. Some wanted a prohibition on letting “commercial” have the ability to use proxy /
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The discussions here and elsewhere around collection and publication of data in light of GDPR are very different.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Nobody is disputing that there is a distinction between private individuals and corporations when it comes to GDPR. However there are risks associated with the processing of personal information, which may be tied into
 corporate information. And the “commercial” vs “non-commercial” distinction won’t work.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Where there is a clear difference is between treatment of registrants based on geography.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As an Irish company all our clients have to be handled under GDPR. The same would be true of any other provider based in the EU.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I cannot speak to nor will I get involved in debates around what various non-EU based operators may currently be doing or plan to do in the future – there are enough of them on this list who can do so more ably than I
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>> on behalf of John Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>John Horton <<a href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com" target="_blank">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 18:54<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>" <<a href="mailto:benny@nordreg.se" target="_blank">benny@nordreg.se</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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 about what I mean, GoDaddy isn't only redacting Whois information (via Port 43) where it's an EU natural citizen or natural resident. The information is being redacted for....everyone. All registrants. There's simply no justification for that. <u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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 compromise and support a system where, IF a registrant is an EU natural person (yes, I know we need to define it accurately -- citizen, resident, we can get granular later) then...hey, let's set up a system in involving redaction of some fields, access to
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<span class="m_-150974235383208381im">> On 16 Feb 2018, at 19:38, John Horton via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span><span class="m_-150974235383208381im">>
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<span class="m_-150974235383208381im">> Just imagine how much of all of this could be avoided if registrars were willing to agree to a commercial/individual distinction.</span><br>
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<span class="m_-150974235383208381im">> John Horton</span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:33 AM, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span>>
 wrote:<br>
> GDPR taken to its logical extreme very well could require us to abandon IP reputation and to emptying our firewalls. I mean, no consumer authorized me to process their IP just by attacking me, right?<br>
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> Privacy absolutism is not the answer unless you basically want to mandate the internet backbone be converted to tor.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> John Bambenek<br>
><br>
> On Feb 16, 2018, at 06:09, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <</span><a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank"><span>michele@blacknight.com</span><span></span></a><span>>
 wrote:<br>
><br>
>> It’s an interesting read, but it has several flaws.<br>
>><br>
>> It refers to registrars solely and ignores registries.<br>
>><br>
>> It also makes it sound like issues around whois are “new”, which we all know isn’t true.<br>
>><br>
>> The comments about IP addresses make it sound like it’s a theoretical concern, yet there is case law eg:<br>
>><br>
>> </span><a href="https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704" target="_blank"><span>https://www.irishtimes.com/<wbr>business/technology/european-<wbr>court-of-justice-rules-ip-<wbr>addresses-are-personal-data-1.<wbr>2835704</span><span></span></a><span><br>
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>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>><br>
>> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
>><br>
>> Blacknight Solutions<br>
>><br>
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
>><br>
>> </span><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank"><span>https://www.blacknight.com/</span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>> </span><a href="http://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank"><span>http://blacknight.blog/</span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>> Intl. </span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072" target="_blank"><span>+353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>> Direct Dial: </span><a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" target="_blank"><span>+353 (0)59 9183090</span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>> Personal blog: </span><a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank"><span>https://michele.blog/</span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>> Some thoughts: </span><a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank"><span>https://ceo.hosting/</span><span></span></a><span><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<wbr>-<br>
>><br>
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
>><br>
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845<br>
>><br>
>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span><span></span></a><span>>
 on behalf of Dotzero <</span><a href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span>dotzero@gmail.com</span><span></span></a><span>><br>
>> Date: Friday 16 February 2018 at 00:07<br>
>> To: RDS PDP WG <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span>gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</span><span></span></a><span>><br>
>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On Security article RE whois and GDRP<br>
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>> </span><a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-may-weaken-security/" target="_blank"><span>https://krebsonsecurity.com/<wbr>2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-<wbr>may-weaken-security/</span><span></span></a><span><br>
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>> Michael Hammer<br>
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