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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">Nathalie, I don’t want to venture a guess at which bits of information are needed to determine web site trustworthiness, but I can tell you what’s implemented for demonstration purposes
in my ccTLD (.cc and .tv) RDAP pilot. We have three access tiers:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Unauthenticated access: the client receives basic information to confirm domain registration and delegation. Things like name servers, registrar info, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="color:#1F497D;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Basic access: the client authenticates with a “free, easy to acquire” credential like a Gmail or Hotmail email address (Google and Microsoft already support the underlying technology and nothing special is required).
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Authorized access: the client authenticates with a credential provided by one of a small number of identity provider partners that my RDAP implementation recognizes. My team is running one such provider, as are the
folks at CZNIC. This is analogous to the “accredited” entities that we’ve been talking about. At this tier the client receives everything, including contact data.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">As I said, this is just an example. The data available at any tier and the tiers in which various actors fit are significant topics of policy discussion. The system
can be made to work in such a way that a registrant or their delegate is indeed duly and fully authorized to see everything.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’ve made the offer on this list before and I’ll make it again: I’ll provide a credential to anyone on this list who wants to see how how gated access can work with
RDAP. Just ask and I’ll get you set up. We are working to add this feature to our gTLD pilot “soon”.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="color:#1F497D">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>nathalie coupet via gnso-rds-pdp-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 16, 2018 12:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Personal thought: I keep on thinking we will find a silver bullet in the principles set by the law of the sea, the mechanisms of the
EEZ or natural law. Still looking. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">Good points Chris. Thanks again.<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"> Chris Pelling [mailto:chris@netearth.net]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chuck <consult@cgomes.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">No issue Chuck, although, June is very optimistic in my opinion simply because the month prior - all hell breaks loose with GDPR :)
At least if we look at October, we can get the info out to as many DPA's as poss to get them there, plus, being Barcelona, it will be a lot cheaper for the countries to send them to Spain than the other side of the world (as governmetns dont like paying for
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">"Chuck" <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Chris Pelling" <<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Stephanie Perrin" <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, 15 February, 2018 21:12:23<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">My mistake Chris. Thanks for setting me straight. I am probably too optimistic, but it would be nice if it could happen in Panama in June.<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chuck <<a href="mailto:consult@cgomes.com" target="_blank">consult@cgomes.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Barcelona is ICANN 63 in October, in June its ICANN 62 in Panama City :
<a href="https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=icann+meetings+2018&meta" target="_blank">
https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=icann+meetings+2018&meta</a>=<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Kind regards,<br>
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Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>"Stephanie Perrin" <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, 15 February, 2018 18:14:24<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">Because of the long lead time for scheduling workshops, it’s not too early to explore the value of one in Barcelona in June. It would be helpful
if we could get to our charter question on Gated Access well before then if possible.<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">I agree with Sara wholeheartedly. I would like to propose a workshop at the Barcelona meeting to discuss accreditation requirements
for cybersecurity an IP actors who want to retain access to personal data in a tiered access solution. Release of data in such a system will require standards, and I (as mentioned in Abu, on the public panel on GDPR, and in my own comments on the 3 models)
I think we should get on with developing those standards, preferably ISO standards with possibility for independent audit.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Stephanie Perrin</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">On 2018-02-15 11:34, Sara Bockey wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:-webkit-standard;color:black;background:white">Our job is now to cooperate in good faith to build a new universal system that still fits most needs but also takes data protection
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">EXACTLY! And what’s lacking from most of our conversations are SOLUTIONS. We understand that many of you have come to rely on various
types of data from WHOIS. We get it. We’ve heard you. What we have NOT heard is “we understand the changing landscape, and while we are concerned about losing X data, perhaps if we do Y, we can improve RDS and still have access OR if we do Z, we can _________.”
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Given the number of really smart people on this list, I am frustrated by the lack of innovative, forward thinking. Change doesn’t have
to be scary. Change can be better - an improvement. We need to stop with the myopia. We need to stop looking backward. We need to stop demonizing. If you are not saying something NEW, something to move this PDP
<u>forward</u>, you are part of the problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">sr. policy manager | GoDaddy<sup>™</sup></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">From:
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> on behalf of Volker Greimann
<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"><vgreimann@key-systems.net></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 4:30 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gregshatanipc@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">"gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org"</a>
<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><a name="_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black"><span class="MsoHyperlink">That would be problematic, as you should know, since there is no clear cut line
of what would constitute over-enforcement or under-enforcement. Well, the latter will resolve itself due to the incoming DPA actions. </span></span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">I also never heard of fees to be paid into a fund by those simply trying to remain compliant with their applicable laws.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Contracted parties have been stating for years, if not over a decade that publication whois details in the current form and shape is
problematic from a data protection perspective. We have repeatedly tried to drive home the point that the current system is not sustainable. We were ignored or ridiculed, or asked to get sued to prove our point. Now that we are forced to take action, everybody
is protesting as if this were something new. It is not. Now we have to do a short-term fix, that will hurt more than it would have needed to if everyone had cooperated in good faith to reform whois years ago. The status quo will change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Am 15.02.2018 um 05:14 schrieb Greg Shatan:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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be extended to the data of non-EU and legal persons would pay in, and it would be used to defray the expenses incurred by those who should have access to information and instead must expend additional time, money and effort, and often incur additional harm,
due GDPR over-enforcement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">ICANN could just establish a "Leave-Whois-as-it-is" legal defense fund. Everyone who argues that whois should remain as it is has to
pay into that fund and everyone who is fined by data protection violations can take the fines and their legal costs out of that fund. Of course, that would necessitate huge investments to set up the fund from mainly volunteer organizations that do not actually
have the means to support it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">Am 14.02.2018 um 02:21 schrieb Rubens Kuhl:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part2-18dec17-en.pdf" target="_blank">
here</a>. Let me know if you meant the first or a different one. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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your interpretation ? Because if you are unwilling to do that, then your belief in that interpretation is not rock solid.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black">What I can tell you is that this risk has been flagged by that paper, by the eco model and by internal analysis of some registries, all
independently of each other; which means you will likely see a good number of contracted parties following exactly the path I outlined in order to mitigate this risk. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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