<div dir="ltr">Hi Volker,<div><br></div><div>Honest question here, related to this line at the end of your email below:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">"Of course some registrars use these data points for other purposes such as upselling, but I'd consider that an ancillary use."</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm interpreting this to mean some registrars may be using data collected for the purpose of meeting the Whois obligation, for "upselling" other services to the registrant later on. Maybe mailing them an advert for hosting services or something. If that is an incorrect interpretation then the question below is probably off target.</div><div><br></div><div>Would it be accurate to state that using the Whois data, collected for the purpose of the domain registration, for upselling other services (even though done by the registrar itself) is possibly a violation of GDPR? </div><div><br></div><div>Tim</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Steve, <br>
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<p>interesting indeed. As registrar, we only need the registrant
contact, and potentially the admin contact, if the registrant
choses to employ a third party for their domain management.
Billing and tech contacts are irrelevant to most of us, we rather
look at the account details of our customer for billing, as
Michele points out.</p>
<p>From my experience, most registrants use the same details for all
contacts anyhow, just to fill them. <br>
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<p>As for what goes into these contacts, for our business purposes,
we actually only need Registrant name and Organization (if
applicable), as well as their email address. In some rare cases,
we may need the phone number and even rarer cases the postal
address for verification purposes, but for 99.99% of
registrations, these are newer used by registrars for the
provision of the service itself. Of course some registrars use
these data points for other purposes such as upselling, but I'd
consider that an ancillary use.<br>
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<p>Best,</p>
<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="m_-3988169368953960697moz-cite-prefix">Am 16.02.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Michele
Neylon - Blacknight:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Steve<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You raise some
interesting points.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">In another forum there
was discussion around some of the current roles used in
whois and how they change. The data from several very large
registrars showed that more than 95% of domains have the
same contact for all roles.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I’d fundamentally
disagree with your comment about the billing contact in
whois. For most registrars (as noted above) it’s just a
field that gets populated and isn’t used for anything.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If we want to reach the
person who pays us we use what we have in our billing
systems, which could easily be something completely
different.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As for DNS operators –
giving them an expanded role as you are suggesting (and not
for the first time) has much wider implications than whois.
While it might be something that is worth exploring I’m not
sure that here is the best place to do it, as it opens up a
rather large can of worms in relation to contractual
relationships etc.,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">--<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Mr
Michele Neylon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
Solutions<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Hosting,
Colocation & Domains<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a class="m_-3988169368953960697moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a class="m_-3988169368953960697moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank">http://blacknight.blog/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Intl.
<a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" value="+353599183072" target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Direct
Dial: <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" value="+353599183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Personal
blog: <a class="m_-3988169368953960697moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank">https://michele.blog/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Some
thoughts: <a class="m_-3988169368953960697moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
Park,Sleaty<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><a name="m_-3988169368953960697__MailOriginalBody"><u></u><u></u></a></p>
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