<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Often when we send in abuse reports to registries, those abuse reports are forwarded to criminals whole and entire with our names and contact information. That has lead to immediate attacks on the complaintant. For instance, some have been swatted (spoofed calls to police to generate and armed response where they kick in doors guns drawn). This has become so common place, many people either have stopped abuse complaints all together or use aliases to talk to registries. <div><br></div><div>In a gated RDS, you will need to know exactly who we are and inherently know what we are looking at. Considering the history of the exact class of people who will have access to that information, what will YOU do to protect OUR privacy and security? Or can we expect now even our RDS queries will be forwarded to criminals also?</div><div><br></div><div>The problem with “you people will figure it out” is that often, registries will take a hostile approach to “us”. If you (as a class) were willing to partner with us, genuinely, I bet we COULD accomplish the mission without RDS. The problem is the history is that at best we get neutrality, but far too often providers have instead, in effect, partnered with the criminals and that has resorted in far worse attacks on OUR privacy and security. </div><div><br></div><div>J<br><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Feb 21, 2018, at 00:54, Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>We expect there will be privacy AND security. You are clever
people, you will figure something out on how to deliver your
services without requiring the violation of the privacy of all
registrants. <br>
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<p>Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 16.02.2018 um 18:53 schrieb allison
nixon:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">How do you guys expect to have privacy without
security?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 7:09 AM,
Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It’s an
interesting read, but it has several flaws.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It refers to
registrars solely and ignores registries.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">It also makes it
sound like issues around whois are “new”, which we
all know isn’t true.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The comments
about IP addresses make it sound like it’s a
theoretical concern, yet there is case law eg:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/european-court-of-justice-rules-ip-addresses-are-personal-data-1.2835704" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.irishtimes.com/<wbr>business/technology/european-<wbr>court-of-justice-rules-ip-<wbr>addresses-are-personal-data-1.<wbr>2835704</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Mr Michele Neylon</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Solutions</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://blacknight.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://blacknight.blog/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Intl. <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203072" value="+353599183072" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Direct Dial: <a href="tel:+353%2059%20918%203090" value="+353599183090" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+353 (0)59 9183090</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Personal blog: <a href="https://michele.blog/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://michele.blog/</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Some thoughts: <a href="https://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd,
Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg
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on behalf of Dotzero <<a href="mailto:dotzero@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dotzero@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday 16 February 2018 at 00:07<br>
<b>To: </b>RDS PDP WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Krebs On
Security article RE whois and GDRP</span></p>
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</a><a href="https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-may-weaken-security/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>https://krebsonsecurity.com/<wbr>2018/02/new-eu-privacy-law-<wbr>may-weaken-security/</span><span></span></a><span></span></p>
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