<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">I replied to the list. Is there any reason this particular swipe was necessary?<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">--<div>John Bambenek</div></div><div><br>On Mar 11, 2018, at 16:45, Volker Greimann - Key-Systems GmbHz <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Oh John responded to me? I thought he knew i plonked his sender address?<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 11. Mar 2018, at 15:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If it was simple we wouldn’t have spent as long as we did in the PPSAI PDP discussing and debating it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The legal vs natural person debate is simple. Surely we can agree on that.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think there is a great deal of overcomplicating commercial purpose just in my quick review. We need not let the exceptions drive the rule. One quick indicator is “accepts payments”. I bet we could all come
up with a dozen are so unambiguous indicators quickly. Let the edge cases be adjudicated. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:28, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">While the final report I pointed you to contains the conclusions I’d recommend you take the time to have a look over the PPSAI deliberations on this matter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You talked about “commercial use”, which is understandable, however, as the discussions show it is not as simple as a difference between legal person and natural person.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 15:06<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, well having read that I believe my answer is still a valid response to Volker. You ask during registration, make it mandatory to answer one way or the other, and in complaints simple use the definitions in use in the jurisdiction involved.
Surely every country on earth knows the difference between legal and natural persons, and I think tax law is an easy barometer for determining commercial activity. Yes, it puts some effort on providers who want to avoid “content” but I reiterate the point
of contention here: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">That those who actually work in security and those who actually work in protecting privacy (with lone exceptions of DPAs) are of the loud, firm, and unanimous contention that not having access to this information
in a free, easy, and programmatic way while lead to a dramatic and clear lose of privacy far beyond the presence of emails in whois/rds. The policy position that we must extend full privacy to everyone (despite a mandate to extend that far) is fundamentally
unnecessary and that the security and stability of the internet which is actually in ICANNs mission is more important than convenience of registries/registrars in dealing with how to define commercial which is NOT in ICANNs mission. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:39, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Here’s the final report:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/raa/ppsai-final-07dec15-en.pdf</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The relevant section is from page 39 onwards and again from page 55
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">-------------------------------</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">John Bambenek <<a href="mailto:jcb@bambenekconsulting.com">jcb@bambenekconsulting.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 14:31<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>>, RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For those not present, can you summarize or at least point to a document we can read? Stating that something was discussed somewhere gives me little to go on as to what information you’d like me to know.
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On Mar 11, 2018, at 13:14, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">This issue was discussed in depth during the PPSAI (proxy privacy) PDP.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Mr Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://blacknight.blog/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://blacknight.blog/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://ceo.hosting/"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://ceo.hosting/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span lang="EN-US">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-rds-pdp-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Volker Greimann
<<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 11 March 2018 at 11:24<br>
<b>To: </b>sivasubramanian muthusamy <<a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com">6.internet@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>RDS WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-rds-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discriminatory rds Data Privacy Standards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailOriginalBody">Please provide a workable, reasonable method of identifying the domain names used in commercial manner amongst the existing hundreds of million registered domains. Please also identify how this determination
can be updated automatically once the use of a domain name changes. <o:p></o:p></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">These details belong on the websites, as is provided in the laws in Europe and other jurisdictions. There is no need to duplicate this in whois.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 9. Mar 2018, at 07:49, sivasubramanian muthusamy <</span><a href="mailto:6.internet@gmail.com"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">6.internet@gmail.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Private persons (including private persons in a public career or a career of public exposure) need privacy. Why is this notion extended to protect online commercial entities of varying ethical
standards? Does </span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce</span> have a right to privacy of its Registrant data?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Their customers don't look for contact information from RDS, but in the entity's commercial web site, but the information is not there. Many online
entities </span>operate from behind layers of veil that separate them from customers and enable them to carry on their commercial activity with minimal or non-existent accountability. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce sells millions of air tickets but does not seem to have a building somewhere, and/or does not have an employee
with a name. Yourairlinereservations.onlinecommerce takes your money, takes your information without disclosing any of its own, and does not have a phone number or answer email messages (</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"ABeeZee",serif;color:#222222;background:white">operates
through call centers, answers email messages by templates) </span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">when you are stranded Midway with a ticket that doesn't work. Yourcasino takes your credit card
number, yourpharmacy takes your money and medical data, yourholiday owns your passport, and all these entities don't have an email address, phone number or a building with a person. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Could we do away with this notion of (Registrant)data privacy where it concerns an online entity that carries out commercial monetary transactions online? That would require us to discriminate
between private persons and e-commerce entities, which would be a complex process - agreed. Nevertheless, could we think about this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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